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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA7636 ; Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:19:12 EST Xref: sserve comp.org.eff.talk:11902 comp.unix.bsd:10341 comp.unix.wizards:28332 Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.wizards Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hobbes!md From: md@sco.COM (Michael Davidson) Subject: Re: ENOUGH! Re: BSDI/USL Lawsuit -- More Bad News for Human Beings... Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:24:09 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan22.212409.1225@sco.com> References: <C0yK27.9Ly@csn.org> <1ja6bgINNh23@chnews.intel.com> <BZS.93Jan16205935@world.std.com> <1993Jan20.230616.25164@igor.tamri.com> <1jq0q3INNook@slab.mtholyoke.edu> Sender: news@sco.com (News admin) Lines: 36 jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >In article <1993Jan20.230616.25164@igor.tamri.com> jbass@igor.tamri.com (John Bass) writes: >>From my view what UCB, Joltz, BSDI and others have done has neither >>advanced the art nor been in the UNIX industries best interest. >You don't think that UCB has advanced the state of the art of Unix? >I'm not going to even comment on this, because I can't imagine that >there's a single other reader of these newsgroups who would agree >with you. *cough* Then I'm afraid you don't have much imagination .... (and perhaps you also don't read very carefully). What John *said* was that the parties in question "had not advanced the art" and what you countered with was the assertion that UCB had "advanced the state of the art of UNIX". I took John's comment to be referring to the state of the art of software engineering as a whole, not just to UNIX (although I think that a case could be made for that point of view even if the domain under consideration *was* restricted to UNIX). The fact that you *assumed* that he was just referring to UNIX is, I suspect, a symptom of the very problem to which he was referring. (oh, and by the way, I do tend to agree with him on this particular point) UNIX was and is a great operating system - that's one of the reasons why it has lasted so long, but it's days are (or should be) numbered if we are going to amke any real progress. Ironically I believe that the original designers of UNIX are far more aware of this than some of it's more recent disciples. There used to be an adage that "real" UNIX was what ran on Dennis Ritchie's machine - perhaps that's still true ;-)