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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA1590 ; Tue, 23 Feb 93 14:49:43 EST Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!network.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!xenlink!fsa.ca!deraadt From: deraadt@fsa.ca (Theo de Raadt) Subject: Re: Cost of 386bsd In-Reply-To: hasty@netcom.com's message of Sat, 6 Feb 1993 17: 53:38 GMT Message-ID: <DERAADT.93Feb18021105@newt.fsa.ca> Sender: news@fsa.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.fsa.ca Organization: little lizard city References: <1kvc9dINNm2o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Feb6.054843.22278@serval.net.wsu.edu> <1993Feb6.084648.19785@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> <1993Feb6.175338.4973@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 09:11:05 GMT Lines: 43 In article <1993Feb6.175338.4973@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: In article <1993Feb6.084648.19785@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com> sms@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Steven M. Schultz) writes: >In article <1993Feb6.054843.22278@serval.net.wsu.edu> msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Dragon Lord) writes: >>OK, here it is. 386BSD by Bill and Lynne Jolitz is FREE. BSD/386 by >>BSDI corp is the $950 one. Both come with source code. > > And a *well spent* $950 (actually $995) it is - no futzing about > for "which patch # do I need", etc. Depends on what one's goals > are. If "getting the system to work" is the goal then by all > means get the FREE one (and from what i've read be prepared to > spend, in some cases, a lot of time getting it stable), otherwise > (as i did) pay a few $ and get on with "the work at hand". > > Just my two cents worth... > > Steven Schultz > sms@wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com Along with the FREE price come ports and patches faster than any Corporation can crank out. I believe this is a load of bull. 386bsd is deep down inside BSD. Most of the bugs are in the 386 component that Jolitz wrote. Therefore, most of the patches that happen with 386bsd are either fixing code that was broken in (and, generally WORKS and is BETTER written in BSDI's code, considering that they much more about how pc's really work, ie. they TALK WITH VENDORS). Also, if you think that any patches being applied to the BSD component of the source are not being looked at carefully by some person at BSDI, you are fooling yourself. (Not speaking for BSDI) Every single one of us who posts patches is helping them (and I have no problem with that. In fact, here's an offer to BSDI that if they want to use my YP code (my only serious contribution so far) they can.) Company or individual, I don't care. They are not making money from hacking the operating system, they are making money from supporting it, with their hard earned knowledge of the internals over the last N years. BSDI, Cygnus, I can't smell any real difference. <tdr. -- This space not left unintentionally unblank. deraadt@fsa.ca