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Received: by minnie.vk1xwt.ampr.org with NNTP id AA2422 ; Mon, 01 Mar 93 13:00:11 EST Xref: sserve comp.org.usenix:3267 comp.unix.bsd:11557 comp.org.sug:651 comp.os.386bsd.misc:48 Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,comp.unix.bsd,comp.org.sug,comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!ra!atkinson From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) Subject: How to vote on POSIX Printing Message-ID: <C36JrI.E8K@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:28:29 GMT Lines: 90 A few weeks back, during USENIX in fact, there was much discussion on the net of the POSIX intent to standardise the not widely used printing mechanisms defined by the Palladium system as the standard UNIX printing commands. Palladium was at one time widely installed at MIT, but large portions of MIT removed it because Palladium was unusable. Palladium is significantly different from the existing practice of System V's "lp" and friends and is also different from the existing practice of BSD's "lpr" and friends. At the moment, the Palladium momentum appears to be coming from the Closed Software Foundation (OSF) as a way to make existing BSD and System V systems "non-standard" and to give the OSF companies a marketing advantage versus vendors who already have implemented either System V or BSD printing. YOU have a chance to vote on the proposed POSIX standard. If you are a member of the IEEE or the IEEE Computer Society, your vote officially is counted. If you aren't a member of either one, then you can still participate and provide input and the standards committee does have to respond to your ballot input. I'd like to encourage all (especially folks who USE printing on a UNIX system) to join the balloting group and carefully vote on the ballot. If you look it over and want to junk all of the existing practice that we know works reasonably well, then vote in favour of the standard. If, however, you agree with those of us who believe in standardising existing practice that works reasonably well, you can vote no and provide comments on why you think that Palladium should be dropped in favour of lp/lpr/lprm/cancel/lpq/lpstat/lpadmin. I've made up an unofficial facsimile of the original official IEEE ballot group application form and have appended it below. If you want to participate, fill this out and fax or postal mail it to the IEEE so that you will be added to the balloting group. Alternately you can telephone the IEEE and ask them to send you an official form via postal mail. All forms are due at the IEEE (not postmark date) by 26 March 1993. Please forward this to others you think might be interested. Maximum participation is in everyone's best interest. Thanks for your time and support, Ran atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil Operating Systems Standards Committee IEEE Computer Society BALLOT APPLICATION for POSIX.7.1 Return Deadline: 26 March 1993 (at the IEEE office, not a postmark date) Standard: P1003.7.1 Standard for Information Technology, Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) Part 3: Systems Administration Amendment: Print Administration SCOPE: Provide utility program interfaces, service interfaces, and managed object definitions for use and administration of printing services. Includes interfaces and managed objects for both computer users and system administrators. Base documents for the work will be the Palladium printing system, the "lp" printer interfaces, and the "lpr" printer interfaces. YOUR CATEGORY OF INTEREST (mark only one): _____ USER _____ PRODUCER _____ ACADEMIC _____ GENERAL INTEREST YOUR NAME: ______________________________________________________ YOUR COMPANY: ______________________________________________________ POSTAL ADDRESS: ______________________________________________ CITY/STATE/COUNTRY/ZIP: ______________________________________________ TELEPHONE: (___)____________ FAX: (___)____________ EMAIL ADDRESS: ___________________________________________________ IEEE Member Number or IEEE Computer Society Member Number: _________________ Check here if not a member of either of these: _________ Note: only IEEE or IEEE Computer Society members may officially vote on IEEE proposed standards. Non-members MAY participate as non-voters. YOUR SIGNATURE: ___________________________ DATE: ___________________ Return this form to: Annamarie Kaczmarek IEEE Standards Office 445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331 Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331 (or FAX to: +1-908-562-1571 )