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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,alt.suit.att-bsdi Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!usc!hela.iti.org!cs.widener.edu!eff!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: 386BSD vs BSDI In-Reply-To: jbass@igor.tamri.com's message of Fri, 5 Mar 93 20:23:20 GMT Message-ID: <BZS.93Mar6021509@world.std.com> Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Organization: The World References: <C3BsBv.2xHu@austin.ibm.com> <1993Mar3.214122.20180@igor.tamri.com> <C3DE19.10z6@austin.ibm.com> <1993Mar5.202320.9758@igor.tamri.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 07:15:09 GMT Lines: 44 From: jbass@igor.tamri.com (John Bass) >Your claim is that anything put into a header file (and by extention you almost >claim anything visable in the global extern list) is an interface .... but by >who's choice? Certainly not AT&T/USL since they made no claim of public >interfaces at V7/32V. SVR4 on the otherhand does. Then it would seem that AT&T/USL was derelict in not challenging Posix and their own SVID which did make those interfaces public. Not to mention a half dozen other examples. >My point is that this is a TOTALLY unreasonable claim requiring anyone that >wishes to protect their software go back to the dark ages of not using >header files and not using proceedures. It's also unreasonable for them to claim that such publicly distributed files constitute a trade secret. Since they don't seem to have pursued any copyright on these at the time they were distributed I don't see much for them to complain about. >Certainly not EVERYTHING in all of /usr/include/* and subdirectories >represents an interface that AT&T/USL wished published. If this were >the way of publishing the kernel public interfaces, they certainly >would have choosen a much different set of header files and locations. You mean like the SVID and Bach's book? Although I have no doubt the lawyers are pulling out all stops it's hard to believe that AT&T/USL have gone to all this trouble just to claim that people used their header files which they distributed a million copies of w/o copyright, and even had entered into standards documents some of which were in answer to charges by the US Govt of being a single source supplier soas to invite others to implement them, unfairly. C'mon John, this is not even plausible on the surface. Go look into the AFCAC suit. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD