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Path: sserve!manuel.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!olivea!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!hasty From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: Rumor Control (was Re: Holger Veit's codrv with XFree86 1.2) Message-ID: <1993Mar7.222112.23152@netcom.com> Date: 7 Mar 93 22:21:12 GMT References: <1993Mar7.013841.11093@ucc.su.OZ.AU> <1993Mar7.042029.1945@netcom.com> <1993Mar7.155448.20035@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 111 In article <1993Mar7.155448.20035@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes: > >Amancio Hasty does NOT speak for XFree86. By his own choice, Amancio left >the XFree86 beta test team a few months ago. He has no knowledge of what >is and is not ongoing XFree86 work. And he as NO authority to be giving >people access to alpha-test XFree86 code. Do not believe anything you >don't see in the XFree86 1.2 documentation with regard to what is and >is not supported. > >I know this statement is going to piss Amancio off, but he has no more right >to speak for XFree86 than we do to speak about XS3. I feel that rumor >control is more important than hurt feelings at this point, and I hope that >this does not degenerate into a flame war. What I will comment on below >is facts. If anyone wants to flame me, do it in email. > > >In article <1993Mar7.042029.1945@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: >> In article <1993Mar7.013841.11093@ucc.su.OZ.AU> dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes) writes: >> >In article <1993Mar6.231211.28743@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: >> >> >> >>mail to jon@robots.oxford.ac.uk and ask him for a copy of his >> >>XFree86 1.2 it has support for both S3 and 8514. >> >> >> >>You will have to build XFree86 1.2 or wait for me because there is a >> >>binary copy of it over at ref waiting to be tested by me. >> >> >> >>This work on XFree86 is not related to the XFree86 core team and >> >>it is mostly the work of Jon Tombs from the Linux group. >> > >> >Please do not post incorrect information such as this. >> > >> >The facts are: >> > >> >1. XFree86 1.2 does not have support for S3 and 8514 >> >2. There is no version of XFree86 available that has this support. >> >> There are copies of XFree86 floating around both for linux >> and for 386bsd with support for 8514/a and S3. >> If you like I can send you one so can you see it. >> > >These binaries are ALPHA releases being done by members of the XFree86 >Acceleration Team. These are not even built from the official XFree86 >source tree. They are not for use by anyone except the members of this >team (which anyone with time and hardware on their hands is invited to >join). > >> > >> >3. There is a group of people (including Jon) working on adding this >> > support to a future version of XFree86 (2.0), and this work is >> > being done with the XFree86 core team. >> >> My mistake I was not aware that Jon was working with your team. >> Also was not aware of any contribution from your team to the work >> that Jon did. >> > >One of the overiding principles of XFree86 is quality control. We're not >always successful, but we try. There are DOZENS of alpha releases between >public releases (there were 15 between XFree86 1.1 and 1.2), and several >beta releases (6 between XFree86 1.1 and 1.2, but usually just 2 or 3). >Our mistake was putting the alpha server in a publically accessible area. >This won't happen in the future. > >NO ONE outside the acceleration team should have a server that claims to >be XFree86 that supports 8514 or S3. If you want to be involved in this >work, and are willing to put time and effort into it, send mail to >xfree86@physics.su.oz.au. > >> >> Well, folks there you have it. I am out this XFree86 circle so >> someone other than me will have to test/release the current >> working version of XFree86 with 8514/a and S3 support. > >You were not asked to do so. You left our team a while ago, and it was >quite clear at the time that we would be doing this. Please do not >presume to speak of what is and is not XFree86 unless you are quoting >release documentation or a posting from soemone who IS on the team. I spoke of work that to the best of my knowledge was OUTSIDE of the XFree86 team. It is now very clear that your team is involved. If I had known that your team was involved at all with the S3 development effort which I am aware of I would have never posted anything. The reason is because I know that XFree86's policy is not to announce current activities. My intentions were to inform netters that there was a port for the purpose of helping people out. For instance, going out and porting Kevin's Server to XFree86 with no knowledge that such task had already been done by others. Personally, I hate to see massive efforts in one direction without at least informing the current users of your intentions but then again I am outside of XFree86. BTW: this kind of exchange does not invite people to freely contribute to your efforts. Again, my sincere apologies for naively stepping in your territory. One of the reasons for me being out of XFree86 is just precisely this kind of exchange. On my end, I am placing this current situation behind and I am going back to what I do best programming :-) Amancio -- This message brought to you by the letters X and S and the number 3 Amancio Hasty | Home: (415) 495-3046 | ftp-site depository of all my work: e-mail hasty@netcom.com | sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/incoming