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BACK At YA! >> ========================================================================= >> From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:54:07 GMT >> >> In article <jmonroyC5pxx0.Axv@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >> > The following are symbols I will be using in the >> > flowcharts for the FDC and QIC implementations. >> >> Why flowcharts? I thought they went out with lovebeads and bellbottoms. >> Why? Do you miss them? >> ========================================================================== >> From: "Brian E. Gallew" <geek+@CMU.EDU> >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 13:33:46 -0400 >> Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA >> >> Speaking of flowcharts, does anybody know of any packages (PD or >> commercial) which will read in a C program and generate a flowchart >> from it? (We need to understand/document some old code.) >> There are some commercial packages... look in the back of PC-Mag or maybe Dr. Dobbs. >> ========================================================================== >> From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Organization: Weber State University (Ogden, UT) >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 17:11:35 GMT >> >> In article <C5qBq9.5D8@sugar.neosoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >> >In article <jmonroyC5pxx0.Axv@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >> >> The following are symbols I will be using in the >> >> flowcharts for the FDC and QIC implementations. >> > >> >Why flowcharts? I thought they went out with lovebeads and bellbottoms. >> >> Apparently, there is code to release; everyone knows you flowchart after >> you program >> Sorry flowcharted before. >> and because it is a course requirement, not because the things >> are useful compared to real engineering tools like structure diagrams, >> state transition tables, operation precedence lists, simulation models, and >> the resulting profiling data. >> This was a run-on sentence. Brought to you by the letters A and B. Sometime you almost sound professional. >> I'd be happier with meaningful function names >> and the output of cxref (which I can run myself, thank you). >> If you want to see code... then volunteer as a beta-tester. >> The two places I have seen flow charts in the real world were to sell IBM >> flowcharting forms (like printer spacing charts, except they couldn't >> serve a useful purpose in a second life as 1:1.5 scale graph paper) and in >> the museum of science and industry. >> Don't get around much. Huh? >> ========================================================================== >> From: plph@engin.umich.edu (Mark Montague) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Date: 19 Apr 1993 20:14:25 GMT >> Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor >> >> In article <1993Apr19.171135.19105@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >> > >> >The two places I have seen flow charts in the real world were to sell IBM >> >flowcharting forms (like printer spacing charts, except they couldn't >> >serve a useful purpose in a second life as 1:1.5 scale graph paper) and in >> >the museum of science and industry. >> > >> > >> > Terry Lambert >> > terry@icarus.weber.edu >> >> There *is* a use for flowcharts: I have found that non-programmers >> (lawyers, managers, etc...) can read understand them much better than >> pseudo-code, state machines, and transition diagrams. They look pretty, >> and they're graphical, so they don't scare the people who wear business >> suits. >> Amen, even I have to make money now and then. >> I use flowcharts when I want to make a non-programmer understand a >> algorithm. >> Like some people we know. >> ========================================================================== >> From: haley@scws4.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Date: 19 Apr 93 23:13:55 GMT >> >> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >> >> >In article <jmonroyC5pxx0.Axv@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >> >> The following are symbols I will be using in the >> >> flowcharts for the FDC and QIC implementations. >> >> >Why flowcharts? I thought they went out with lovebeads and bellbottoms. >> >> Actually, while they aren't taught any more, I have found them quite >> useful, especially in situations where the logic needs to be analyzed >> often... >> I guess what some of the others are saying is: "This thing is borken, so we must fixz it." >> It can also allow you to plan more easily where dividing >> lines between major sets of subroutines really should fall... Thus >> allowing for very clean modules and headers, as well as dividing up >> the labor between people... >> >> Besides, it's fun to play with those little template thingys and make >> all the neat shapes... >> Yes, I agree. I made a house the other day... had 5 rooms. >> ========================================================================== >> From: kcowin@panix.com (Ken Cowin) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:20:45 GMT >> >> While on the subject of FLOWCHARTS... Are there any UNIX public access >> type programs like the Windows software "ABC Flowcharter" or "Visio"? I >> did an Archie to no avail. >> >> Ken Cowin >> Sorry Ken, I guess they are not kosher and you may have to resort to my primitive work. Sorry! ^ ^ o ___ / \ >> ========================================================================== >> From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs) >> Subject: Re: Flowchart symbols (in ASCII) ISO-1028 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:15:35 CDT >> >> From article <C5qBq9.5D8@sugar.neosoft.com>, by peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva): >> > In article <jmonroyC5pxx0.Axv@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: >> >> The following are symbols I will be using in the >> >> flowcharts for the FDC and QIC implementations. >> > >> > Why flowcharts? I thought they went out with lovebeads and bellbottoms. >> >> Actually, no. We used them all the time in my systems analysis course last >> semester. >> >> -John D. Boggs jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us >> or ...!uunet!erato!jdb >> You know John some people have no appreciation for the finer things in life. >> ========================================================================== >> >> OK, all BS aside, now. In this medium I have very few and limited ways to communicate with the people I am working with. There are at least 2 other OS groups that want a QIC-40/80 driver. We plan to work together and share Ideas and more. I don't have time for silly pranks like this. If you beleive that you may have more _or_ better tools for me to work with, I will listen. You want a QIC-40/80 drive? Either put up with me, or write your own. I don't care, I don't have time for your silly attitudes or mediocre premises. Thank you for your attention. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________