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Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!glt From: glt@cco.caltech.edu (Greg Tanaka) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Subject: Re: What happened to these projects ? Date: 23 Apr 1993 07:17:05 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 58 Message-ID: <1r855hINN56d@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1r17cqINNqgi@fstgds01.tu-graz.ac.at> <1993Apr21.202838.7929@fcom.cc.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: >In article <1r17cqINNqgi@fstgds01.tu-graz.ac.at> chmr@edvz.tu-graz.ac.at (Christoph Robitschko) writes: >>There have been discussions in the Newsgroups and the mailing lists at ref >>about a few projects for 386BSD, but I haven't heard anything about them >>for a long time. Among these projects I remember: >> >> shared libraries >In progress. I have several linker mods to make above and beyond the PIC >stuff working (yes, I have working PIC stuff, but I got it from elsewhere). >I'll post when I have something concrete that works all the time. From what I read in the TODO file that came with NetBSD, Adam Glass at sun-lamp.berkeley.edu? is also working on shared libraries Why not just release the unstable thing? I rather see horrible staticly linked shared libraries than no shared libraries at all. Yes I do know that there is a post that told how to do it, but it is horribly complex and requires a HUGE hard disk. 386bsd needs something to put it on par with Linux.. >This is probably because 386BSD seems to be losing momentum from the lack of >short enough inter-release intervals. Hopefully this is/will be corrected. I agree. The development of Linux is moving at light speed compared to the developement of 386BSD/NetBSD. From the lack of traffic in the 386bsd group, it would appear that 386bsd/NetBSD is losing, or at least not gaining any new users. I remember a few months back when there were a lot users asking how to install 386bsd and or how to make it work. But now there are very few perhaps because the installation process has become better? I doubt it..it is still very complex, but with NetBSD that has kind of changed.. If one browses at the Linux group, you will see a lot of new user questions. I think 386bsd/NetBSD is going to need an advocacy group or something. 386bsd seems to be dying!! If 386bsd does end up splitting up into two factions, I think the developement of 386bsd will be even slower than it is now... So everyone should switch immediately to NetBSD. If nothing else it has better name. cgd's idea of patches via crond would be great. We could then have daily patches instead of the current monthly patches we have now. >Or it could just be that with ref gone, there's no place to hold the live >meetings. > Terry Lambert > terry@icarus.weber.edu No place? What about bsd386.first.gmd.de. I can't believe that there is no one in the US with a fast connection and a fast computer who is willing to make a public system for 386bsd. I have a fast connection, but a slow computer (386/40 8 megs), I would if I could. What about setting up an irc thing for 386bsd.. glt@cco.caltech.edu glt@ugcs.caltech.edu glt@macross.caltech.edu (my rather unstable NetBSD system)