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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Ramblings about the Convention - translated
Message-ID: <jmonroyC5zIup.43u@netcom.com>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 11:06:25 GMT
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Ramblings about the Convention - translated
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Clearly, some of you are not comprehending what
I am saying. So in an attempt to help some of you that
seem to be lost, I am posting a message I sent to
rick@ee.uwm.edu.
He was kind enough to state his mind clearly, some
of you cannot. Jennifer is not here to help me check my
grammer, so you will have to live with a few inconsistences.
I tried to double check it, but I know I did not get all
the mistakes, unlike the original article which was checked.
========================message to rick=============================
mail rick@ee.uwm.edu
Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Ramblings about the Convention
>> I'm not complaining about your "QIC News" on comp.os.linux... I'm trying
>> to tell you that your senseless ramblings about (and not about) the
>> convention (whatever convention it was... your posting didn't say)
>> are *garbage*.
>>
>> Don't post that junk anywhere outside of talk.bizzare.
>> ..and they probably wouldn't like it *there* either!
>>
In that you are communicating with me in a reasonable manner,
I feel somewhat obligated to answer in a like manner.
Please understand I am not being vindictive, I am just trying
to help you understand. I am also not trying to be condescending.
1) my posting was labeled "Ramblings..."
an obvious attempt on my part to communicate that
the message would be out of the ordinary.
2) the convention is meant in the term (time) which
speaks about agreement.
So, in a sense, I will be speaking, in what will seem to
be incoherent terms, about some sort of timely agreement.
Lastly, I hope I made this sensible for you.
It took me two (now four) hours to translate, and if I had used
traditional methods it would have made the article about four
or five times as long.
================TRANSLATION FOLLOWS=================================
Ramblings about the Convention
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Communication, the basis for our existence and survival
as programmers and humans, is the ability to pass thoughts and
ideas in an abstract symbolic form. Today, we face these idealisms
with the hope, in some context, we may see into each other's mind.
(Hey, wait! What happened to the Right to Privacy?)
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Most of what is above seems clear, except
the word "other's". Clearly a misspelling
in the singular form, not the plural.
This means I am looking in to a singular
mind of possession to someone.
The next line makes an allude to this,
by referring to a person's
constitutional right to privacy.
Why is this important?
The group is not the forefront issue but,
the person. I am trying to make this personal.
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But the truth does not evade us, we speak in argots.
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Argot is to speak secretly in a criminal
form. Notice the "we".
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(Wow, hold on. The popsicle truck just went by!)
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The next line seems incoherent, but
a popsicle truck may bring to mind
childhood memories and how we each loved
popsicles, but we each enjoyed our own
favorite flavor.
If you don't get it, contiune with this anyway.
You will.
Popsicle is also a phyallic (sp?) symbol.
So, I made reference to a penis also.
I may have started the reader thinking about
sex, but not likely.
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Each of us pictures
the "int" in just slightly, a different manner. Semantically, it is
just 16-bits signifying a value with a range of about 32k.
Owww.... I said about?!? About is correct, because some people are
still discoursing whether 32k is 32,000 _or_ 32,768. Silly, huh?!?
So, what is an "int"? Well, should we now talk about signed or
unsigned? Did I mention some people think an "int" should be
32-bits? Does this make it different if it is public or private?
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OK, what is above is somewhat clear.
You can find plenty of math people who
will discourse this with you, especially
the theorist/programmer.
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What about near or far? (OOPs, Sorry, that's only for MS-DOZ.)
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The next line pokes fun at our favorite OS.
The keyword modifiers are available in
most MS-DOS compilers, but the modifiers
are really difficult to use and understand.
MS-DOZ refers to MS-DOS in a familiar terms,
like NO-DOZ, except we doze(the end-user).
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How do we assign a value to this "int"? Do I use 128?
or 0x80? or 1000 0000 (binary)? or 200 (octal)? and where's
the 0x0beef?
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All the numbers above are the same, except
0x0beef.
But the last question reads "where's the beef?",
referring to the silly point I am making.
The silly point is these are all the same
number so, "let's not be silly about this".
It is also a joke.
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What's all this leading to? Certainly, I must have some
information to present? Yes, Mocha Java is a coffee bean blend
without chocolate. Mocha is a port, and Java is a country.
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The paragraph above seems completely out
of place, but I have just told you that
"Mocha java" is not a brand name nor a
type of coffee.
It is a blend without chocolate.
So in some sense, I am telling you that
TV is mis-advertising about what
Mocha Java is.
Seems almost unrelated, except in
the next paragraph.......
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OK, back to communication.
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Communication was the topic in the
first paragraph, so we return to the topic,
now that I have proven that we may have
a possible problem with communication.
So this has a double meaning, I tell you
1) we have not been communicating in the past,
2) so "let's communicate NOW".
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(What was I leading to?)
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If you got the meaning in the last sentence,
this now makes sense. Another double meaning
sentence.
1) This sentence is a cynical remark.
A joke have you: "Gee,,, I made the muck. Can you understand me?"
2) The communication was leading to the
next sentence. Which, if you look
at the first paragraph, is the topic.
(So communication, existance & survival.)
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Oh yeah, existence and survival!
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Disjointly we now lead to..
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We exist now as electronic pulses
written on a magnetic medium for ready random access.
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It sounds like I am on drugs, but I am
talking about our use of electronic mail.
It is our new existance, our way to survive
with this project.
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We need to
speak to each other with fluidity and rapt vernacular.
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"Fluidity and rapt" means like water we must
be fluid and clear.
Vernacular means to speak by vocabulary.
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What are the possibilities of these scrabs? Are we to gain
from this effort?
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I made up the word scrab, it sounds like
scrap, but also like scab.
By some professionals, we are considered
unworthy of this work, so we are scabs
and worthless scraps.
I am clearly rallying for troops.
And I ask "what is our profit?"
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To say there are possibilities implies that there is some
existence of a possibility.
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I am saying now "This is possible"
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So, what could possibly lead me to
"C" when assembly is faster and has more exactness?...
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Most programmers know assembly, in some
terms, but not enough to do this job.
But from before, I am now making reference
that many commercial entities, namely IBM, SGI, etc.
They don't consider efforts like this worth
much, because the code will run slow, they say.
More rallying of the troops.
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Wait, I jumped a few steps.... Let's back up!
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I am getting a bit upset that people
are believing we cannot do this.
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To say there is a possibility implies that there is some
existence. Yes, we all have made some foundations.
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I am now saying, "Look we really can do this,
I will explain how."
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Look at your
disk. See "Hello, World!"? NO!!
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Now I ask the programmer to search his disk
for the program "HELLO WORLD?".
This is the classic *first* example taught
in every book on programming.
I think, no programmer will have a problem relating
to this.
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It seemed too trivial, you can now do it with your eyes closed.
You can do it in ANSI? In a single line? In C++? And maybe you even
considered trying to enter the obfuscated "C" contest?
BUT--it's not there!!
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What is above should all be clear.
All the questions should be answer with a yes,
by most, not all, but most programmers.
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You've gone beyond! There is no need to look at your left
foot and your right foot when you walk; it's all autonomous now.
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Yes, you got rid of the "Hello World",
because maybe you thought you knew it all.
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Isn't it?
Hardly. By falling down several hundred times you now correctly
associate imbalance with pain and a bloody nose. Or worse yet,
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Now, though, as a professional (or not)
you have fallen down hundreds of time
already, and you must know the problems.
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Or worse yet, that spanking is now starting to feel good.
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Now a Triple meaning
1) Frued said (and this is not a complete quote)
that we learn about sex when we get spanked.
So, we like to get spanked because we want
that sexual high.
A bit in left field, but....
2) OR worse yet, your situation is
"You've finally given up"
you will take the pain.
3) I am talking dirty sex,,,, but
most people won't get this.
A few programmers will.
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Wait, I'm starting to diverge again.
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So now diverge should make sense.
I say,"I am splitting the group up into
good and bad, I don't like this.
So, let me slow down."
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"Hello, World!".
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"Hello World" has two meanings.
1) I welcome everybody back, "good and bad programmer"
2) This basic program is our common ground.
So, we DO have common ground to speak to
each other with.
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Recanting foundations is our method of debugging.
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When we get lost in debugging a program
we break out the books, "get back to basics".
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I don't own a CRAY II, or an HP Spectrum Analyzer.
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We are not HP or CRAY.
And we don't have their money.
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My resort is to make sure I know what I am doing,
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What we will have to do is think this through.
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to write it down so I know it happened, and
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We need to communicate, maybe with e-mail or
better yet on the "newsgroups".
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to be able to read it again after that second pint.
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I say, "This had better be fun for all of us!"
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Do they make wheat (weat?) beer down under?
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I am calling on the Australians to help us.
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And will she let me down under?
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I would also like to visit Australia.
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Dinner time. A burrito sounds good.MMMMMMMMM.
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I Say, "I am in the middle of this, and if
I don't eat I can't think."
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A short story and some sex talk.
Programmers like sex. Don't You?
+-------------------------------------------
| After finding a parking space I noticed a gorgeous female
| striding in my direction. She had long brunette hair, and kicking
| her out of bed for crackers was not a even a concept. She ambled by.
| The T-shirt she wore was new and bright red, in bold face type it
| declared:
|
| "SUCKED END"
|
| I watched her pass my vehicle, and, with a singular motion, she ascended
| into her transport, inches from mine. Damn, just thirty seconds later.
+-------------------------------------------
Where was I?
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It was a good fantasy while it lasted.
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Oh yeah, survival!
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Yes, I will SURVIVE for more fantasies.
Like the last one.
Notice the word "survive", I am talking
about existance and survival.
The allude is You have a wife, girlfriend,
whatever; Maybe your reason for survival?
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Survival may call to mind some notion
of an ending (like we are hoping for this talk),
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Clearly, I know some people are lost.
THEN, NOT all, but most programmers know this too.
They are laughing in knowing that I could so
clearly, throw so many people in such a short
time as to the real subject.
The short story helped, of course.
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but hundreds of
thousands of years have passed, with us humans intending to influence
future generations only to be confounded by fire, quake, water,
or a UFO landing.
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Our modern tools have not helped us.
We build telephones, satellites, microwave, etc.
and still they don't help us.
A UFO is commonly called by the military a
weather balloon. So what? They lie.
I am also throwing people - maybe they think
I am lost(or brain-dead or on drugs).
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Is this semi-quasi-technical discussion going to degrade to
schisms of future confrontations?
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This is a serious question with no double
meaning.
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Why didn't the original Star Trek
use Dick Tracy watches instead of future versions of cellular phones?
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Electronic engineers are dumb, don't expect
their help.
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Is DATA really a sensioned (sp?) being?
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The Robotics people are lost too.
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I degraded, didn't I?
Must be Friday.
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It was Friday and I am getting tired of
this crap. I am also getting pissed off.
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OK, even I'm lost now.
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I'm lost for an answer, I need your help.
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To make it short, we need convention, a means to reference
each other's symbolism in a concise manner.
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Let's talk.
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Even shorter,let's start some header files.
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Let's skip this BS, and start now.
Header, not .h, but some new ideas.
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(WOW, multiple head!)
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SEX talk.
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(I could be happy with her for 10 minutes, OK, 20... Scratch that-
she just talked.)
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More SEX talk.
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I should write these things away from distractions.
Naaaaah!
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More SEX talk.
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I propose we use comp.periphs for our discussions _or_
cross post & label all articles: [QIC-40/80].
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This sentence should be clear to all.
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While (!convention)
convention = articles (
comp.os.os2.programmer
comp.os.coherent
comp.os.linux.announce
comp.os.mach
comp.os.minix
comp.periphs
comp.unix.bsd
comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
comp.os.386bsd.development
) ? x-post : comp.periphs;
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Programmer psuedo-lingo. (In case your horny)
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IS THIS ALL CLEAR?
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If I didn't make sense let me know.
Some people were trying (I think) to tell
me that they where lost (via postings), but
what they said made no sense to me.
More than half the people that complain,
of my style, have no style and I
really must read what they say about
4 times before I understand it.
What are my options?
I will always continue in my style.
If you can't understand let me know in
a clear concise manner;
I will respond likewise.
If you ramble I cannot communicate with you.
BTW, I believe, nate@fubar.cs.montana.edu
(Nate Williams) and rick@ee.uwm.edu
are of the few people
that has been effective in their
comments to me.
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