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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!constellation!convex!convex!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!easix!knobel!andreas From: andreas@knobel.GUN.de (Andreas Klemm) Subject: Re: What happened to these projects ? References: <1r17cqINNqgi@fstgds01.tu-graz.ac.at> <1993Apr21.202838.7929@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1r855hINN56d@gap.caltech.edu> Organization: Andreas Klemm, D-4040 Neuss 21 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 00:00:11 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr26.000011.7334@knobel.GUN.de> Lines: 94 In <1r855hINN56d@gap.caltech.edu> glt@cco.caltech.edu (Greg Tanaka) writes: |terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes: |>This is probably because 386BSD seems to be losing momentum from the lack of |>short enough inter-release intervals. Hopefully this is/will be corrected. 386bsd works pretty well. The Patchkit offers us a variety of proofed patches. THe new SCSI drivers are ok. X11 seems to run well. What more is necessary. OK shared libraries ..... Linux is written from scratch. I cannot agree with the statements that LInux is now probably better and so on. OK more traffic in the newsgroups, but is it really stable, and does the networking stuff so well as in 386bsd. I don't think so ! What worries me the most is that there are people vom Berkeley who think that the net needs a new bsd line called NetBSD. I think this splits the 386 BSD Fans into peaces and peaces. Perhaps you should better stay with 386BSD 0.1 put your experiences and knowledges into it like you did. And bring us your new stuff in a form of a new patchkit. I think its better then to make new versions. You make me and other unshure what to do/install next ! |I agree. The development of Linux is moving at light speed compared to the |developement of 386BSD/NetBSD. From the lack of traffic in the 386bsd group, |it would appear that 386bsd/NetBSD is losing, or at least not gaining any |new users. What about making a better Installation Floppy for 386BSD 0.1 ? Configurable Partitions Configurable Swap Space Configurable File Systems What about making distributions like linux's SLS Kit ? Based on an already patched 386bsd patchkit level 0.2.3 What about making the installation of X11 more easier ? The people I know say all: linux is smaller, you get the whole distribution already patched as new version on floppy disk, and so on. The people I knoe don;t say: Oh there is more traffic in the linux newsgroup, bla bla bla The see advantages in already prepared and patched binary distributions. WE DON'T NEED A NEW NETBSD, WE NEED A BETTER AND MORE POPULAR WAY TO DISTRIBUTE 386BSD 0.1 BASED ON THE NEWEST VERSION !!! | I remember a few months back when there were a lot users asking |how to install 386bsd and or how to make it work. But now there are very few |perhaps because the installation process has become better? I doubt it..it is |still very complex, but with NetBSD that has kind of changed.. |If one browses at the Linux group, you will see a lot of new user questions. OK, but therefore 386bsd isn't bad at all or not so good as linux. What strikes the people back is, that you have put all sources on disk to be able to patch the beast. WE NEED PEOPLE THAT PREPARE ALREADY PATCHED DISTRIBUTION FLOPPIES. BASED ON THE PATCHKIT VERSIONS. Not all peoplae are so well equipped like you developer ! My collegues want linux because it's smaller. They can install a brand new linux without patching the source. It saves time and disk space. The Berkeley people found with NetBSD a way to make such distribution floppies. WHY NOT FOR 386BSD 0.1 BASED ON THE PATCHKIT. The advantage is, that we do not need to split the - in yor eyes shrinking - 386bsd community. A better way would be to integrate NetBSD's installation floppies and to create distribution floppies and tapes for a better installation process. I think I will stay with 386bsd. I'm not for splitting the bsd community into parts. Other opineons ? Andreas -- ////// Andreas Klemm \\\\\\ /////// andreas@knobel.GUN.de \\\\\\\ private : +49 2137 12609 D-4040 Neuss 21 (Norf), Germany at work : +49 2173 3964 161 Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Telefax : +49 2173 3964 222 Abteilung Unix Support, D-4019 Monheim