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From: kaleb@octopus (Kaleb Keithley)
Subject: Re: 386BSD Participation
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In article zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola) writes:
>
>>Press 'n' now to avoid more mindless drivel :-)
>
>	Good advice, I wish I had taken it.

You were warned.  Kinda foreshadows the rest of your "rebuttal."
You are hereby warned again. Press 'n' now!

>	Managing a software project is difficult, 

After 10 years developing software professionally, I always wondered why 
I went home exhausted. Now I know why. Thanks for explaining it to me. :-)

>386BSD has always
>been a closed door product.  

That doesn't gel with what Bill Jolitz said. He said "...real people were
participating..." I get the impression that you didn't read Bill's post
or mine before firing off your rebuttal.

>I like this approach.  For me it gives me some stability
>(even if there are some bugs), as opposed to Linux or other systems where
>there is a patch a week.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I happen to like the comparative stability
of 386bsd too, if you ignore the patchkits. But we have strayed from the
topic.

>	I really hope that Bill Jolitz was more polite then you make him out
>to be, and I also hope you didn't nag him to death.

You assume too much. A trite expression about assumptions comes to mind.
This confirms my suspicion that you didn't really read my post, because
I dind't say anything untoward about Bill in this regard.

>	Everyone has to make a living, and Giving away your programming
>time usually doesn't cut it.

Can I quote you on that? :-) 

I don't recall anyone twisting Bill or Lynne's arm to release 386BSD. For 
whatever reason or reasons, they chose to do it.  The martyr routine is 
unbecoming.

>    People are busy, and some people are especially busy.
>It would be nice if they could be courteous, but they have no obligation to.

Can I quote you on that too?

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Kaleb

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Kaleb Keithley                                kaleb@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov