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Xref: sserve comp.os.linux.misc:357 comp.os.386bsd.misc:715 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!olivea!hal.com!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!cats.ucsc.edu!msb From: msb@cats.ucsc.edu (Maurice S Barnum) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Why would I want LINUX? Date: 20 Aug 1993 04:43:13 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 51 Message-ID: <251kp2INN3c0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <55270001@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> <24gnu4$skm@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <24m779$b0h@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US> <BDC.93Aug15214130@transit.ai.mit.edu> <24rbb5$t51@hrd769.brooks.af.mil> <24vd7h$frk@horus.mch.sni.de> <MIKE.93Aug19115915@pdx800.jf.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu In <MIKE.93Aug19115915@pdx800.jf.intel.com> mike@ichips (Mike Haertel) writes: >In article <24vd7h$frk@horus.mch.sni.de> Martin.Kraemer@mch.sni.de (Martin Kraemer) writes: >>hard disk with a size multiple of what you need for Linux. When I first >>installed Linux (Oct/Nov. 1992), it was so slender that you could get >>all the base utilities including cc, emacs and kernel sources into as >>much as a 32 MB hard disk! hah! I can still do that! well, I think, since I've never even thought about installing emacs... >This has, alas, been fixed in recent versions of Linux, which seems to >have come down with a very serious case of The Bloat. I remember a >time (early 1992) when the Linux kernel was under 25K lines of >code. The 0.99.12 kernel, at 118K lines, is nearly five times >the size. It does not offer five times the functionality. Yes, but how much of the size increase is due to the several filesystems, a bunch of SCSI drivers, the networking code (and the accompanying ethernet drivers), and the 387 emulator that now comes with the kernel? None of that is part of The Bloat, because if you choose not to compile those features in, you don't get them. And if you do configure the world, you deserve a huge kernel. I too have noticed that my compiled kernel sizes have gotten somewhat larger since early '92. Maybe even twice as large (system sizes are now about 430k pre-compression). Of course, I compile in xiafs, ext2, procfs, msdos filesystems and (just the way things have gone) either networking or the 387 emulator. I have not noted the sizes, but I can almost guarantee you that the patched-pl12 kernel I'm running now (or the alpha-10, which was the last one to have 387 code in in) was not 5x bigger than whatever the current kernel was in early '92. >Similarly, things like the full SLS release have really bloated out--I >helped a friend install SLS last fall, and the full installation with >X came in at around 40 Megs. Just recently tried again, and got >upwards of 80 megs. Yeeow. finally, as recently as 3 months ago, I had X (including the linux xview package), a full set of development tools (no emacs), kernel source, and various other goodies installed on a little under 30mb on the /usr partition. I didn't use SLS for most of it, though. -- Maurice S. Barnum --- I consult, therefore I am: Ask me, and I shall answer. Believe me, and I shall laugh. msb@cats.ucsc.edu, mbarnum@eis.calstate.edu, mbarnum@nyx.cs.du.edu