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Xref: sserve comp.os.os2.programmer:13332 comp.os.linux:53757 comp.os.mach:3210 comp.os.minix:22589 comp.periphs:4199 comp.unix.bsd:12485 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:4175 comp.os.386bsd.development:1132 Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.os.minix,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!pipex!ibmpcug!ibmpcug!jshark!joe From: joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk (Joe Sharkey) Subject: Re: More annoyance on the DMA problem Organization: Individual Network (UK) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 21:00:13 GMT Message-ID: <CC8D0E.4Ex@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk> Followup-To: poster References: <jmonroyCBoq14.Kz0@netcom.com> <jmonroyCBy43E.FLG@netcom.com> Lines: 67 In article <jmonroyCBy43E.FLG@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: > All BIOSes for the PC report errors to the FDC, and even as > I have not found the code to verify that the BIOS retries, > MS-DOS does. Surely you mean: "All BIOS report errors [from] the FDC to MS-DOS, and MS-DOS then retries...." ?? > Most OSes retry on any error. If you program > at the IBM BIOS level, most (if not all) references say to > try at least 3 times before giving up on a transfer. None of the OS's this is posted to actually *use* the BIOS except during the initial bootstrap - but you know this. > What does this say? > > That some type of problem exist, what it is - is not certain. > Maybe a slightly bad disk, who knows. Just so, I think: floppies can get dirty, maybe slight mis-alignment. Retrying is as good a way as any to deal with it. >>> As stated, DMA on post-IBM AT class machines doesnt exist, the >>> memory controller subsystem does it transperantly. Get a refresh > Sorry, this does not "jive" with my information. It is also wrong - phrased very badly as best. Maybe he means "transparent refresh" ;) > The timer is hard wired. That is, in-hardware is where > the refreshes are done, via the 8254 and the DMA controller. > Also, I reference a book with the page number. On PC's/AT's and similar. > TRUE, some motherboards may have a transparent solution, > but this does not follow my documentation for IBM PC AT. The integrated chipsets came along later. You are not wrong ;) >>> Lets face it, the architecture works (except for some CT >>> chipsets that have buggy 16 bit DMA, which doesnt concern the FDC). >>> > INTEL admitted to no DMA problems today when I spoken > to them. However, I am calling again and will ask > them if they know anything more. The release notes for Microsoft Xenix/86 (about 1987!) points out that some DMA chips can only handle one DMA channel at one time. (Also that some 8250 UART's don't have working interrupts.) >>> In general, hardware is the natural scape-goat to blame for >>> software bugs. > If it is a software bug then I have yet to find an obvious > placement. You may have found a long-known hardware bug ;) joe. -- Joe Sharkey joe@jshark.inet-uk.co.uk ...!uunet!ibmpcug!jshark!joe 150 Hatfield Rd, St Albans, Herts AL1 4JA, UK Got a real domain name (+44) 727 838662 Mail/News Feeds (v32/v32bis): info@inet-uk.co.uk