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From: wkt@cserve.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: BSD T-Shirts?
Message-ID: <1993Sep6.015235.14458@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 01:52:35 GMT
In article <269cf4$398@agate.berkeley.edu>, mckusick@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Kirk McKusick) writes:
[ much about the huge desire for shirts - thanks for your work Kirk]
|>
|> The new 4.4BSD T-shirts are just now hot off the presses. The new
|> art has the BSD Daemon standing in Birkenstocks on top of the world
|> skewering a deathsquare on his trident.
I'm glad I got in early, those `skewered deathstar' shirts are going to
be much sought after. I'd better order a `deathsquare' one to complete
the set!
Warren Toomey wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
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Subject: Re: A few words about BSDI
Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd
Date: 4 Sep 1993 17:37:29 -0400
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group, Warren, NJ, USA
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In <jmonroyCCtzDv.2vE@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
>
> SunWorld Sept. 1993
>
> Article in discussion
> ---------------------
> Unix on x86, Part 1
> ---------------------
The article was NOT negatively biased against BSDI. It was honest. In
fact, for all the problems they had with Unix on x86 platforms, they
had the fewest with BSDIs.
Having just finished reading that article 10 minutes ago, I would like
to point out that the point of the article was not to say how horrible
the BSDI product was, but instead to point out how for every version of
Unix-for-Intel that they could purchase installation was a nightmare of
video non-standards, ethernet card jumpers, mouse adapters conflicting
with SCSI interfaces, etc. etc. etc. etc.
...not to mention the fun they had with interrupt levels and BIOS
revisions.
They said that their original intention was to do one article comparing
the Unixes but after having such a total SHOCK of discovering how truly
horrid the PC architecture is, they decided to do Part 1 on their
installation nightmare and Part 2 as the real comparison.
> [ it took them a full day to get BSDI installed correctly. ]
It was interesting to note that the 1 day it took for them to install
BSDI was nothing compared to the 7-day and 14-day experiences with the
other Unixes!
They also said that BSDI had THE BEST support phone line (and most
knowledgable people) they had experienced and they were impressed that
BSDI was willing to put the patch (well, actually a new disk image) on
their FTP server.
They were also pretty blunt about BSDI being "Unix for Unix users".
i.e. there aren't any "add user" shell scripts, BSDI is for people that
KNOW unix and aren't afraid of editing /etc/passwd by hand.
Tom
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