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From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386BSD 0.1 release
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Date: 19 Jul 92 16:43:23 GMT
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In article <147pi1INNb1g@ghidra.UU.NET> revell@uunet.uu.net (James R Revell Jr) writes:
>In article <1451eoINNcsv@agate.berkeley.edu> cgd@agate.berkeley.edu (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
>} ftp.uu.net will probably never be a real mirror site;
>} they refuse to carry the binaries, as well as the sources,
>
>Chris, this is false and I believe you know it. ftp.uu.net has had all
>the previous 386BSD source in it's archives, and we'd have had the 0.1
>release yesterday if agate.berkeley.edu didn't deny our ftp
>connections.
>
>It is true that UUNET has not had the 386BSD binaries, but then we've
>*always* had the no-binaries policy. The on-binaries policy is
>scheduled to be dropped as soon as I get seveal GB of new disk added.
>Since I'd expected that would be done this week and it's been delayed,
>I have allowed the 386BSD 0.1 bootable images to be mirrored.
>
>} and therefore (In the release notes) the Jolitzes encourage *NOT*
>} getting it from uunet...
>
>--
>James Revell Network Services Mgr <revell@uunet.uu.net> /8^{~
Do *not* obtain 386BSD from uunet! BSDI is funded partially from UUNET
coffers, and those idiots still see 386BSD as a rival to their hopes.
As with other related situations, they have come up with "plausibly deniable"
reasons to not provide information that they feel affects their competitive
advantages.
Perhaps sometime in the future these brilliant gentlemen will "wake-up
and smell the coffee", but till then it's not worth the trouble.
It's ironic that they can't even fairly compete with a "freely available"
project like 386BSD that is community-oriented, but feel the need to
make it more difficult for people wanting to participate. Gee, I wonder
how they would have dealt with this if I had been successful in releasing
it via the University of California ? Tut, tut, ...
I think what's the real problem here is the "mixed" agenda of UUNET's
ostensible purpose, and Rick's interest in being stuck in denial mode
until forever. Which is unfortunate, since UUNET in and of itself is not
really a bad thing.
As a minor note, no one from UUNET has attempted to work out any mechanism
to address their "concerns".
Go elsewhere. Compuserve and BIX are soon to have copies, please get it
from them. I believe that the downloads from them go to a charity, rather
than funding Rick's lawyers, something that I'd rather like to see.
Bill Jolitz.