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Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psinntp!news.ge.com!combs!steve From: steve@combs (Stephen F. Combs) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Subject: Re: WILL ???BSD DIE? Date: 3 Nov 1993 14:17:32 GMT Organization: GE Drive Systems, Salem, VA Lines: 72 Message-ID: <2b8ehs$7gl@alva.ge.com> References: <jmonroyCFv39C.Iv1@netcom.com> <2b64ce$l4o@zip.eecs.umich.edu> <1993Nov2.234106.5280@cm.cf.ac.uk> <2b72i1$dbl@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Reply-To: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: 3.29.5.200 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dan Muntz (dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Nov2.234106.5280@cm.cf.ac.uk>, Paul <paul@myrddin.isl.cf.ac.uk> wrote: : >In article <2b64ce$l4o@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dan Muntz) writes: : >>386 w/o patches, but when it comes right down to it, my 386bsd systems have : >>stayed up for weeks (probably months) with only one (XS3 related) crash. One : >>machine acts as a slip gateway, and both are used signifcantly every day for : >>various tasks (xtroff, simulations, remote login, games, etc.). BUT... : > : >This is just totally misleading. Saying that 386BSD 0.1 is more stable : >than Net or Free just because it stays up for you is bogus. You're just : >not triggering the numerous bugs that have been fixed in the latter two. : Ah, but I *am* triggering bugs in FreeBSD and NetBSD. 386bsd is more : stable for me (nothing misleading about that). I suppose it just : _accidentally_ works on my machine and is unstable for everyone else? : BTW: my machines are hardly identical: isa+et4000+esdi vs. eisa+s3+scsi. [Stuff Deleted] : >My only comment here is that I'm interested in hearing about the problems you : >had with FreeBSD so we can correct it for the future. : I've been exchanging mail with a couple of FreeBSDers. : >This is premature in the extreme. If we were to set up net of free : >newsgroups then there would be 6 virtually emptu newsgroups left behind. : >You may think it's rather presumptious of me to suggest that but let's : >have some realism here. There's virutally no-one doing any development : >work with 0.1, and most users are migratin to one of the two newer : >releases. : 386bsd is dead. 0.1 is no longer supported, and 0.2 is nowhere in sight. : Why confuse the issue by continuing to post to the 386bsd newsgroups? : If you think volume will be too low, create one group, comp.os.freebsd, and : split it later if needed. rmgroup the 386bsd groups when the traffic : drops off. However, there seems to be opposition in the FreeBSD group : to using newsgroups _at all_. [Additional Stuff Deleted] I don't know what is going on here! I tried 386bsd 0.1 (with various patches from various patchkits) and was unable to get a reasonably stable system for my use. I tried NetBSD 0.8 and had similar problems (one of them turned out to be a hardware problem with my platform and another turned out to be a F*** Up on Intel's part as to the choice of UART). I've been using FreeBSD since the GAMMA release and have had NO major problems. I haven't crashed the system since the start. I've rebuilt kernals and tried to implement some stuff which is not well documented, BUT the system is UP and running for days/weeks at a time! I'm even using PPP to connect to the Internet (via my SPARC at work). FreeBSD is NOT trouble-free, but does work quite well for my purposes. As to the 'change the news groups' stuff. Why insert new confusion? C.O.386bsd.* works quite well as a support medium for BOTH current '386 implementations of *BSD! Leave it the hell alone! My configuration is: isa+atiVGAXL(with busmouse)+SCSI(632mb disk, 150mb tape) Works QUITE well thank you! -- ======================================================================= Stephen F. Combs GE Industry Sales & Services My Employer is in NO way GE Drive Systems Responsible or Liable for Network Services Any Opinions expressed by 1501 Roanoke Blvd. Myself. Salem, VA 24153 Internet E-Mail: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM Novell via Internet: Combs-SF@Salem.GE.COM =======================================================================