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From: crt@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Rob Shady)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: If you were to assemble a new machine...
Date: 13 Jan 1994 10:50:34 -0500
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jlrobins@unccsun.uncc.edu (James Lee Robinson) writes:

>If all of you experienced unix_on_intel_for_free people were to assemble
>a machine to run either FreeBSD or NetBSD and probably XFree86, what 
>kind of machine would you put together. I am a fairly experienced unix

My personal favorite that falls into this price range would be something
similar to the following:

Pentium EISA/VLB Combo Motherboard w/1MB Cache	$1500
32MB RAM				 	$ 960
NEC 5FG Monitor					$1200
Adaptec 1742 Controller Card			$ 250
True IBM 101 Key Keyboard			$  50
Seagate 9GB SCSI Drive				$3500
2 Toshiba 3401B CD-Rom Drives			$ 720
VGA Ultra Pro VLB w/4MB RAM			$ 600
WangDAT 4mm Tape Backup (2GB/4GB) 		$1000
       						=====
						$9580

Okay, Okay, so it's a little 'High-End', and maybe $4k more than you
want.. Sigh.. Try a 486DX50 motherboard, and maybe a smaller hard drive.. 
Who knows, one cd-rom drive, no-tape backup, smaller monitor, etc.. ;)

>	1) What hardware not only works, but works well.

Toshiba 3401B CD-Rom Drives are excellent.  
NEC ?F? Monitors are excellent.
Adaptec Controller cards are excellent.
IBM Keyboards are excellent.
WangDAT & Exabyte 4MM/8MM backup units are excellent.

>	2) What kind of performance should I hope to expect with
>		comparisions to the Sun workstations (IPC / IPX /
>		sparc 2, etc.)

I have run NetBSD on a 386/33 w/8MB RAM and gotten a MUCH better
response from that than a SUN IPX w/8MB Ram.  Especially on console.

>	3) Is there any preference (performance issues) with respect
>		to bus type ? Are there any buses that won't work ?

Microchannel I believe doesn't work yet, but you wouldn't want that anyways.
EISA/VLB seems to be up & coming in NetBSD.  PCI may have support in the
near future, but doesn't as of yet (as far as I know).

>	4) Would I be better off assembling a machine by hand, i.e.
>		buying motherboard, power supply, case, etc. from
>		mail order vendors from out of PC Shopper?

Probably.. Alot of times the mail order vendors throw in cheap equipment
(Mitsumi floppy drives instead of Teac, one piece motherboards (Ie:
Come with IDE, Video, etc all on the motherboard), etc) in order to get
their prices down.  At the very least, I feel better because I know
what I have bought and that I have the best possible system for the
funds available.

>	5) What are the common pitfalls / what should I steer away
>		from (aside from Diamond video cards and Mitsu...
>		CD-Roms)?

Diamond has excellent video cards, it is just their support that sucks.
You CAN get most Diamond cards to work with NetBSD/XFree86, it just takes
a little tinkering.  Mitsumi CD-Roms were good drives for the buck, but
stick with a SCSI CD-Rom drive, not something proprietary.

>	6) SCSI or IDE drives? Why? Whats the difference performance /
>		comatability wise?

SCSI IDE Drives.  You can have up to 7 per card instead of 2/card.  They
tend to be faster.  They are... Just get them. ;)