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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!wiml From: wiml@netcom.com (William Lewis) Subject: Re: Notes on the *new* FreeBSD V1.1 VM system Message-ID: <wimlCLrCxo.Fvx@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2ke3ss$l0d@u.cc.utah.edu> <Ja4p+zR.dysonj@delphi.com> <2khcvv$han@u.cc.utah.edu> <CLqK5I.IzH@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 02:15:07 GMT Lines: 34 tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) writes: >In article <2khcvv$han@u.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) writes: >>The main problem I would like to overcome is ETXTBSY; ETXTBSY is simply >>broken. > [text deleted] >>I have been thinking on this a long time, and I get a little religious... >>8-) 8-). > it took awhile, but I was finally converted to Terry's ETXTBSY religion. I haven't read the kernel source, so I may be way out in left field here; forgive me if the following doesn't make sense or if things already work this way and I missed it. That said, here's my idea: Why can't demand-paged executables act like any other open file? It might be a good idea to keep processes from writing to a file that is being used as someone's text segment, but is there anything wrong with letting them *delete* it? The actual file on disk would not be deallocated until the process exited, but it would have no directory entries referencing it, and users would be able to create new files with that name. (Thus I could replace init by doing something like "rm init; mv init.new init". Init would continue to execute from its old binary, but subsequent exec calls would map the new binary into memory. This would be exactly analogous to the way a regular open file can be unlinked from the directory it's in, but still used by the process that has it open, until that process closes it, at which point it finally gets deallocated/erased.) Of course, there's still the problem with NFS, but this at least makes demand-paged executables on local file systems much less annoying. -- ... William Lewis. ----- wiml@netcom.com ------ Seattle, WA, USA "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled."