*BSD News Article 29060


Return to BSD News archive

Xref: sserve comp.os.386bsd.announce:295 comp.answers:4311 news.answers:19427
Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!ctc.com!news.mic.ucla.edu!ux1.lmu.edu!cynjut.ogisd.ess.harris.com!jocas-al.brooks.af.mil!hrd769.brooks.af.mil!not-for-mail
From: burgess@hrd769.brooks.af.mil (Dave Burgess)
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.announce,comp.answers,news.answers
Subject: [comp.os.386bsd] BNR/2 derived BSD for PCs FAQ (Part 2 of 10)
Followup-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc
Date: 31 Mar 1994 21:37:29 -0000
Organization: Armstrong Laboratory, Brooks AFB, TX
Lines: 1125
Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu
Distribution: world
Expires: 04/18/94
Message-ID: <386bsd-faq-2-765149856@hrd769.brooks.af.mil>
References: <386bsd-faq-1-765149856@hrd769.brooks.af.mil>
Reply-To: 386bsd-faq@hrd769.brooks.af.mil (386bsd FAQ Maintainer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hrd769.brooks.af.mil

Posted-By: auto-faq 2.4
Archive-name: 386bsd-faq/part2

Section 1. (General Network Information)
General information

	This section of the FAQ is about the electronic support network 
	that exists for 386bsd.  

1.0	What is 386BSD? (Taken from the INSTALL.NOTES by the Jolitz's)

	Welcome to 386BSD Release 0.1, the second edition of the 386BSD 
	operating system created by William and Lynne Jolitz.  Like its 
	predecessor, 386BSD Release 0.0, Release 0.1 comprises an entire 
	and complete UNIX-like operating system for the 80386/80486-based 
	AT Personal Computer.

	386BSD Release 0.1 is an enhanced version of the original release 
	done by William F. Jolitz, the developer of 386BSD.  386BSD 
	Release 0.0 was based on the Networking Software, Release 2 from 
	the University of California at Berkeley EECS Department, and 
	included much of the 386BSD work done earlier by Bill and 
	contributed by us to the University. The latest release, 386BSD 
	Release 0.1, contains new work by the developer and many new items 
	which have been freely contributed by other software developers 
	for incorporation into 386BSD (see the file CONTRIB.LIST).  These 
	contributions have increased the functionality and made it more 
	robust.  As a courtesy to the developer and the many people who 
	have generously contributed these software enhancements, we request 
	that users abide by and properly maintain all attributions, 
	copyrights, and copylefts contained within this release.

 	386BSD is intended to foster new research and development in 
 	operating systems and networking technology by providing this base 
 	technology in a broadly accessible manner.  As such, like its 
 	predecessor, 386BSD Release 0.1 is freely redistributable and 
 	modifiable.
 
1.0.1	What are these other Free BSD systems?

	For reasons best left to private E-Mail, there have been two 
	different 'product lines' that have been established for 
	development of BSD systems.  They are NetBSD and FreeBSD.  Both,
	individually, have virtually deprecated the original 386bsd.
	The "raison d'etre" for each is different and each has a different
	set of goals.  The purpose for FreeBSD is to develop a stable 
	working environment for [3-9]86 systems.  The emphasis has been 
	on upgrading utility programs and incorporating changes that make
	the system more stable.

	NetBSD, on the other hand, is a development effort whose main 
	thrust is on mulitple platform support and staying more current
	with BSD 4.4. 

	Both systems are excellent choices for the casual user or people
	who are interested in studying the internals of an operating 
	system.  While the products are nearly commercial quality, they 
	are both maintained by volunteers.


1.0.2	I just downloaded all of 386bsd version 0.1 and I get can't get
	[some feature] to work?  Do you have any suggestions?

	Yes.  Get either FreeBSD or NetBSD.

	The original 386BSD software was kind of buggy when it was put 
	up for anonymous FTP last year.  It has been modified significantly
	since then, and now exists in a different form.  There are people
	who will argue that the original 386BSD was completely unusable,
	but that is generally an overstatement.  

	Over 100 patches were applied to the original system, with hundreds
	more waiting in the wings.  To get this 'patched' version of 
	386bsd, get FreeBSD instead.  To get a version that split from 
	386bsd to try and stay more in line with the BSD 4.4 system, and
	also provide a multiplatform development system, get NetBSD.

	Getting one of these two systems will provide you with a more 
	complete system, with newer utilities, and many bugs already 
	fixed.


1.1	Feature summary

	Among the many features of these BNR/2 systems:

	*    Floppy disk based Installation

	*    Hard drive partitioning for use with MS-DOS partitions

	*    Compressed, multivolume CPIO dump format binary/source/other 
	     distribution sets on MS-DOS floppies.
	
	*    387 support or emulation.

	*    SCSI support.

	*    CD-ROM support.

	*    NFS, TCP/IP and full networking.

	*    MS-DOS file system access (in newer *BSD systems).

	*    PPP and SLIP protocol support.

	*    System upgrades through Carnegie Mellon University's 'sup'
	     utility.

	*    Shared Library Support (in alpha or beta testing, depending
	     on the environment).


1.2	The future of 386BSD.

	{ This section is included for historical purposes only.  Most 
	of the information in here is either wildly out of date or just
	plain wrong.  I decided to include it mostly to show how far
	we have come... dbb }

	Forecasting the future is always a tricky business.  There is work 
	underway to implement version 0.2 of 386bsd.  In addition, many 
	people are involved in a project to put together a 386bsd version 
	(FreeBSD) which will be a complete distribution set including all 
	relevant patches and updates to new versions of many of the 
	software packages that are currently available.  It is available 
	by anonymous FTP from FreeBSD.cdrom.com

	In addition, NetBSD (a direct descendent of 386bsd) is available 
	for anonymous FTP from sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu.  The purposes of 
	these two apparent competitors appear to be at odds, but in 
	fact are very similar.  NetBSD has taken a 'stable, production
	quality, free OS' as one of its primary goals, where 386bsd 
	pursues the high ideal of the ultimate OS research platform.
	There is considerable cross pollination of the two.  The frequent
	debates on style and concept that appear in comp.os.386bsd.*
	are testimony to that point.  NetBSD and FreeBSD are still both
	very viable operating system alternatives, with differing goals.

	To see the Future of 386bsd as seen by Bill and Lynne Jolitz, I 
	suggest you read the INSTALL.NOTES that come with 386bsd.


1.3	386BSD software projects in progress

	The list of software projects in progress is just too volatile 
	to go into a static document like the FAQ.  Suffice it to say, if 
	there is something you want to do using 386bsd; ask first to see 
	what has been done.

	Nate Williams (nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu) has volunteered to be 
	the focal point for software projects for 386BSD.  His job will
	be to get people with similar interests together to minimize 
	wasted effort and people working at cross purposes.

	Folks that are interested in software projects for NetBSD 
	should contact netbsd-comments@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu and
	let that mailing list know the same information.
 

1.3.1	Contacting software authors

	Whenever you are working on a port of a software package, it is 
	always a good idea to contact the original author and offer 
	whatever changes you needed to make in order to port the software.  
	That way, subsequent releases of the package may include changes 
	that allow all users of 386bsd the advantage of reusing your work 
	over and over.

	Also, once you have ported a package to *BSD, you might want to 
	send a note to either Nate Williams (nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu) 
	letting him know that you have completed a package and where it 
	is available.  For NetBSD, contact
	netbsd-comments@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu.

	If the port was a simple recompile of the source and install, a 
	note to one of the newsgroups telling the story could be considered 
	appropriate as well.  

	In keeping with that, if you find a 'bug' in 386bsd, or find a 
	problem that causes you some headaches and find a solution, you 
	should contact the author of the particular driver/module/program 
	and let them know.  In addition, you could also post the problem 
	and/or fix to "comp.os.386bsd.bugs".

	Both NetBSD and FreeBSD have implemented 'bugfiler', so if you
	are connected to the net, you can use that to send out your
	bug.  See the documentation that comes with your system to find
	out more.


1.4	Minimum hardware configuration recommended

	There has been considerable debate about what the REAL minimum 
	configuration for 386bsd is.  Some would claim that it is the 
	smallest computer that an installation will succeed on.  Others 
	claim that it is the smallest usable computer (based on RAM and 
	speed constraints) and others would claim that it should be 
	based on using 'X'-windows.
 
	For specific hardware, see Section 8 (still in development).

	The smallest installable platform is an 80386, using an MGA card, 
	with at least 2Meg of RAM and a 20 Megabyte hard disk.  While not 
	all SCSI cards (especially EISA) are supported, a great many are 
	either in the base distribution or through patches.  This 
	configuration is tricky to prepare, and will certainly be hard to 
	use, but it is possible.

	A comfortable installation which includes source and binary 
	distributions, as well as other utilities will work in about 
	100Meg of hard drive.  

	'X' requires at least a Hercules MGA; for masochists only, from 
	what I understand.

	See section 8 for more details.


1.5	Where to get the source and binaries
1.5.1	Forms available (floppy, FTP, CD-ROM)

	386bsd is available in just about every format known to man, with 
	the possible exception of stone tablets and papyrus.


1.5.1.1 Where can I get the distribution on floppy or tape?

	Many people will copy files onto diskettes or tapes if you 
	coordinate it with them ahead of time.  In addition, many 
	companies offer 386bsd on various types of media for money.  
	Austin Code Works and others (usually advertisers in PC 
	magazines) offer the base 0.1 "official" distribution for a fee.
	  
	Note that there are virtually no restrictions on distributing 
	the 386bsd distributions.  Basically, wherever you can find it, 
	you can get it.  This goes for FreeBSD and NetBSD as well.


1.5.1.2 Where can I get the distribution via FTP?

	The files you should look for specifically when using FTP are 
	directories called srcdist, bindist, and etcdist.  These 
	directories will hold the files for each of the distributions.  
	Once you have received the files via FTP, you can either load 
	them directly onto your system and then un archive them using 
	'extract' or one of the other methods suggested in Section 2 of 
	the FAQ, in the section about installing with 'real partitioning'.
	
	The list of sites that have 386BSD is covered in section 1.8 below.  
	This list is produced automatically by using a utility called 
	'archie' and is updated for every new version of the FAQ.  If you 
	try to access a site from this list and find that they either 
	don't have FTP enabled, or don't have 386bsd loaded any more, 
	a polite letter to the admin of the system asking them to 
	update their 'archie' entries is good manners.
	
	
1.5.1.3 Where can I get the distribution on CD ROM?
	
	Infomagic sells a UNIX CD-ROM that has 386BSD.  Their FAX number 
	is 609-683-5502.

	Profit Press has 386BSD dated 7/21/92 on their "Mega Win OS/2" 
	CD-ROM.  This is in the format of BINDIST, ETCDIST, SRCDIST and 
	BOOTABLE.

		Profit Press
		2956 N. Campbell Ave
		Tucson, Arizona 85719
		(602) 577-9696
		Their order line is 1-800-843-7990

	Look for their advertisements in the back pages of Computer 
	Shopper.  The Mega series is $29.00 each or $69.00 for all three 
	plus a fourth "Demo Disk".  

	In all likelihood, the version 386bsd that is available on CD-ROM 
	will be the 0.1 version, without any patches.  Keep this in mind 
	when ordering, since the first thing most people want to do is 
	bring the system up to the current patch level.  If you do not want
	the original 0.1 version, be sure to ask where the distribution
	came from and which version of *BSD it is. 	
 
	For our European users, I have included these notes from Julian 
	Stacey (stacey@guug.de) and Christian Seyb (cs@gold.muc.de) 
	concerning locations and methods for getting 386bsd in Europe on 
	both CD-ROM and floppies.
	
	----------------------------------------------------------------------
	The following CDROM is available for DM 98,-- (app. $60) and contains 
	the following software:

	- Linux SLS V1.03, Kernel 0.99.11 and utilities for Linux
	- 386BSD version 0.1 including patch-kit 0.2.4
	- NetBSD version 0.8
	- Utilities for 386BSD and NetBSD
	- The Berkely Second Networking Distribution
	- GNU software (gcc 2.4.5, emacs 19.17, gmake 3.68, etc)
	- X11R5 up to patch 25 and lots of Contributed Software
	- TeX version 3.14
	- The Internet RFCs up to RFC1493
	- News, mail and mailbox software and many utilities for Unix


	To: CDROM Versand
	    Helga Seyb
	    Fuchsweg 86
	                                          Tel: +49-8106-302210
	    85598 Baldham                         Fax: +49-8106-302310
	    Germany                           Bbs/Fax: +49-8106-34593

	(Ed. Note:  This appears to be an advertisement, but the price is right
	and appears to be reasonable.  Christian and Helga may have the same
	last name by coincidence :-)  If you want more ordering information, 
	please feel free to give Helga a call.)
	--------------------------------------------------------------------------

	In Munich Germany:
	Buy the monthly "c't magazin fuer computer technik" (Price 8.5 DM) 
	(~1.7 = $1) & look in back pages, I saw:

	Mail Order:
		JF Lehmanns Buchhandlung, fuer EDV, 
		Zuelpicher Str 182, D-50937 Koeln, Germany
		Free catalogue for X, Linux, 386bsd, 1.
		Confusing advert seems to offer X11R5 + GNU + 386BSD 
		on CD Rom "InfoMagic Vol2 No2" for Price: 149 DM.
		Tel. 0130 4372 (always busy, claims to be free, 
			so don't know if +49 130 4372 viable)
		Fax: +49 221 415995
		Shops in Berlin, Koeln, Regensburg, Ulm.
		
	(Editorial Notes:  DM149 is about $75-$90 US (or a little more) 
	and 0130 numbers are Toll Free in Germany only.)

	Mail Order:
		Computer Solutions Software GmbH
		Postfach 1180, D-85561 Grafing (Muenchen), Germany
		Tel +49 8092 5018
		Fax +49 8092 31727
		23 * 3.5" 1.4M flops @ Price: DM199
		Order No:/Best Nr: 5099
		Shop: 
			Columbus Datentechnik,
			Theresienstr 63, D-80333 Muenchen, Germany
			Tel +49 89 5232021

	Lynne wrote a short follow-up, letting us know that these 
	companies do not send them any money.

	(Linux was advertised in the mag. @ 89DM, both Linux & 386BSD 
	distributions were offered as something over 20 1M floppies )


	This announcement in from Jordan Hubbard:

	On the morning of 30 December, 1993, and after many many delays, 
	the first official release of FreeBSD 1.0 began shipping on CDROM.

	This CD is being sold through Walnut Creek CDROM, our ongoing 
	sponsors in the FreeBSD project, and without whom we would have had 
	a substantially more difficult (if not impossible) time producing it.


	While I will _always_ encourage obtaining FreeBSD through "free" 
	channels (the Internet, friends, suspicious individuals in dark 
	alleys), and given that none of us will make any money from CD 
	sales, or ever have from FreeBSD in general given that WC's 
	sponsorship is confined to the loan of centralized development 
	hardware and network access, I still hope that some of you will 
	find the CD distribution medium convenient enough to order a 
	FreeBSD CD from Walnut Creek, thus indirectly supporting our 
	future development work.

	If this marriage between commercial and free software interests 
	proves to be mututally beneficial (which still remains to be seen, 
	from Walnut Creek's point of view), it is my hope that it may serve 
	as a model for similar future endeavors.  It is an unfortunate fact 
	that developing free software at this scale costs money, even with 
	the developers donating their time and efforts, and financing some 
	of it through the sale of convenient distribution media is one of 
	the least venal ways I know of going about it.

	This CD contains a full FreeBSD 1.0.2 source & binary release, the
	sources and binaries for XFree86 2.0, and numerous sources from the
	FreeBSD "ports collection".  Where space permitted, sources were
	provided in both "packed" and "unpacked" forms for easy access both 
	as an on-line resource and as a source for compressed downloads in BBS
	or release-construction situations.  The CD is fully ISO9660 compatable
	and has been mastered using RockRidge extensions for long filenames on
	systems that support it (like FreeBSD! :-).

	It is, of course, possible to install the system off the CD from 
	scratch, given some basic willingness to read a little documentation 
	and a few blank floppy disks.

	For the sake of convenience, I append the ordering information 
	distilled from FreeBSD's /usr/src/RELNOTES.FreeBSD below.


	Ordering information:

        Walnut Creek CDROM
        4041 Pike Lane, Suite D
        Concord CA  94520
        1-800-786-9907, +1-510-674-0783, +1-510-674-0821 (fax)

	Or via the internet from orders@cdrom.com.  A current catalog can
	be obtained via ftp from ftp.cdrom.com:/cdrom/catalog.

	Cost is $39.95.  Shipping (per order, not per disc if ordering 
	multiple disks) is $5 in the US, Canada, or Mexico and $10.00 
	overseas.  They accept Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and 
	ship COD within the United States.  California residents please 
	add 8.25% sales tax.


	roman@public.btr.com (Roman Yanovsky  roman@btr.com) sent in this
	note.  I have editted it down some, but left in the bulk of the
	BNR2 stuff in case you need more information:

	Subject: Linux Slackware and FreeBSD CD-ROM with X-windows etc.

	Trans-Ameritech presents "The best Linux plus FreeBSD CDROM ever"

	Great news for the Linux community! SLACKWARE - the critically 
	acclaimed best Linux distribution - is now available on a CDROM 
	from a company known for fastest delivery and best customer 
	service. The new release is a result of a combined effort by 
	Patrick Volkerding (creator of the Slackware distribution) and 
	Trans-Ameritech and is based on Slackware 1.1.1

	In addition to the binary and compressed source distributions, 
	the CDROM contains an uncompressed file-system that can be 
	directly mounted and used.  This file-system has many man-pages, 
	info files, games, applications etc.

	This release combines the best features of all existing CDROM 
	releases of the Linux operating system:

	* The installation is highly automated by the Slackware scripts 
	fine tuned to this CDROM but leaves a lot of room for customization. 
	This is the "official" Slackware CDROM.  The great advantage of 
	Slackware is the ease of installing/deleting individual packages 
	and sets. Install only what you really need!  

	[ more Linux deleted ]

	* For hacker's reference an uncompressed FreeBSD source tree is 
	provided.

	* On the BSD side there is a full source and binary distribution 
	of the "final" FreeBSD 1.0

	* If you have questions or problems Trans-Ameritech provides free
	support via e-mail within 24 hours.

	* We ship the same day as we get the order.

	The new CDROM is available for $30 plus shipping/handling. If you 
	are a current customer, it is only $20.  New releases will be 
	available every 3 month. Subscription is available.


	[ I couldn't find the address for Trans-Ameritech in this last 
	note at all.  Perhaps next time. ]
	
	This information is offered with no warranties, guarantees, 
	franchise offers, or recommendations.
	        
1.6	Electronic Information Groups for 386BSD

1.6.1	Usenet newsgroups

	General BSD questions can be posted to comp.1.bsd.  Bear 
	in mind, however; that your questions to this group should 
	really be about BSD in general, not a specific implementation 
	detail of *BSD.

	Listed below are the Usenet newsgroups that were developed to 
	support 386bsd and its descendents.  

	comp.os.386bsd.announce 
	    Announcements relating to the 386bsd operating system. (Moderated)
	    Posts should be mailed to "386bsd-announce@agate.berkeley.edu".
	    
	comp.os.386bsd.apps
	    Applications which run under 386bsd.  Not all sites will 
	    carry comp.os.386bsd.apps, since it kind of 'showed up'.
	    
	comp.os.386bsd.bugs
	    Bugs and fixes for the 386bsd OS and its clients.
	    
	comp.os.386bsd.development
	    Working on 386bsd internals.
	    
	comp.os.386bsd.misc 
	    General aspects of 386bsd not covered by other groups.
	    
	comp.os.386bsd.questions
	    General questions about 386bsd.


1.6.2	Newsgroup archives.
	
	These sites maintain a historical record of the traffic in the Usenet
	Newsgroups indicated.  There are others, but I haven't gotten their
	names yet.

Host Name            IP address     Location        Newsgroups archived
-------------------- -------------- --------------  ---------------- 
minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au 131.236.20.70  Australia       comp.1.bsd
src.doc.ic.ac.uk     146.169.2.1    London, UK      comp.os.386bsd.*


1.6.3	BNR/2 Derived bsd mailing lists.

	There are at least two mailing lists for 386bsd.  Both are for 
	discussions of the patchkit and patches.  Last I heard, neither
	of them is particularly active any more.  They are:

	386bsd_patchkit@cs.montana.edu: 
		This list is primarily for discussion of the patchkit and other
		patch procedure discussions.
	patches@cs.montana.edu: 
		This list is for patch submissions.

	NOTE: The patchkit is discussed in detail in Section 2 of the FAQ.
	Also, the patchkit has been effectively deprecated.  Sending to 
	these lists may or may not get you the kind of info you are looking
	for.

	In addition to the pure 386bsd lists mentioned above, there are 
	mailing lists available for FreeBSD and NetBSD.  Information about 
	the NetBSD lists and how to use majordomo (the list handler) is 
	available by mailing to majordomo@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu.

	There are three mailing lists for FreeBSD and they are:

	FreeBSD-hackers: for hackers
	FreeBSD-questions: misc questions
	FreeBSD-bugs: bug reports

	Send to FreeBSD-hackers-request@freefall.cdrom.com to be added 
	to the hackers list, and *-questions-request@freefall... to be 
	added to the questions list.


1.6.4	Other electronic resources.

	There are many bulletin boards throughout the world that have 
	386bsd software and information available.   Also, there are 
	CompuServe and other on-line services that have 386bsd 
	discussions.  It is even rumored that Bill and Lynne have been
	active on Compuserve talking about 386BSD Version 1.0 (or 0.2, 
	or whatever it is going to be).
	
	    
1.6.5	System Updates.

	There are at least two different ways of getting the updates for the
	current source tree for both FreeBSD and NetBSD.  The first is the
	traditional FTP method, and the other is using a utility called 'sup'.
	This program keeps a log of the source modules that have been updated 
	and sends out only those files that have been changed.  Included below
	are some instructions from John Brezak <brezak@apollo.hp.com> on how 
	to run sup for NetBSD.  The sup procedures for FreeBSD are similar:


	Instructions for installing NetBSD sources and releases using SUP
	-----------------------------------------------------------------
					1.3 1993/11/3

	SUP is a network installation package written by CMU used to distribute
	software. For more details on SUP refer to the man pages.

	Sup works by reading a configuration file (supfile) and using this 
	information to determine what "collections" of files will be loaded 
	from the collection repository. Here is an example of a supfile to 
	load the NetBSD current release.

	[ Note: lines have been broken for readability; do NOT use '\' in 
	supfiles ]

	src release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu hostbase=/b/anon_ftp 	    base=/usr prefix=/usr backup

	ksrc release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu hostbase=/b/anon_ftp 	    base=/usr prefix=/usr backup

	security release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu 	    hostbase=/b/anon_ftp base=/usr prefix=/usr backup

	gamessrc release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu 	    hostbase=/b/anon_ftp base=/usr prefix=/usr backup

	regress release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu 	    hostbase=/b/anon_ftp base=/usr prefix=/usr backup

	#othersrc release=current host=sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu 	    hostbase=/b/anon_ftp base=/usr prefix=/usr backup


	This supfile will load the "current" collections for "src", "ksrc",
	"security", "gamessrc", and "regress" in the /usr directory on the
	local machine.  The "othersrc" collection will not be loaded because
	it is commented out.

	The supfile line is made up of keywords that describe the collection's
	location on the sup server and where and how it will be loaded on the
	local host.

		release - the release of the collection to load.
        	host	- the 'host' where the SUP repository resides. NetBSD 
        		uses sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu .
        	hostbase- the pathname on the host to the base of the 
        		collection.  The hostbase for NetBSD is "/b/anon_ftp".
		base	- where you want to install it locally.
		prefix	- used to locate the "sup" directory to write sup's
			info about updates. Usually the same as base.

	This supfile can also set some options. The "old" option tells sup
	to check all files for changes, not just those that are newer than 
	the last sup update. Normally sup will overwrite local files with the
	changed file from the repository. If the sup collection specifies 
	that an existing file should be renamed to a backup, the "backup" 
	option in the supfile activates this. The "delete" option tells 
	sup to delete any files locally that are no longer in the 
	collection - be careful with this one.  The "keep" option will 
	cause sup to NOT update files that have been changes locally. 
	The "compress" option will use gzip to compress the files before 
	transfer and gunzip them on the receiving end. This option can be 
	used to cut down on the number of transmitted bytes.

	You may want to set 'base' and 'prefix' to something other than /usr
	if you want to preserve your existing src tree.

	The sup repository on sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu currently offers these
	collections.
       	 
		src, ksrc, security
			The sources for NetBSD

		othersrc
			The current sources for contributed parts of NetBSD. This
			contains the sources for sup.

		regress
			The current sources for the NetBSD regression test suite.

	If you only want the kernel sources for a specific port there are some
	sub packages that you can use instead of the "ksrc" one. If you are 
	using the sub packages, be sure to also sup the "ksrc-common" package.

        	ksrc-common
                	Kernel sources common to all ports.

        	ksrc-1, ksrc-sparc, ksrc-hp300, ksrc-amiga, ksrc-mac,
        	ksrc-pc532, ksrc-pmax, ksrc-sun3
                	Kernel sources for a particular port.


	The security package is not to be sup'ed by sites outside of the U. S.,
	read the "README.export-control" file for details.

	Each collection can have multiple releases (as specified by the "release"
	keyword).

	IMPORTANT!!
	Be aware that the current release is simply a snapshot of the daily
	state of NetBSD development and is not guaranteed to build (or even
	work) - use at your own risk !

	Stable releases of NetBSD are available via SUP. Instructions are
	included with the release announcement.

	Before running sup, be sure that your /etc/services contains these
	entries.

	supfilesrv      871/tcp         # for SUP
	supfiledbg      1127/tcp

	To try sup without really updating anything use the '-f' flag. The '-v'
	flag means verbose and can be used to see what sup is doing.
	
		sup -fv supfile

	The sup binary, sup man page and sample supfiles can be ftp'ed from
	sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu:~ftp/pub/sup .  Comments should be directed
	to "sup@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu".

	A mailing list exists for users of the NetBSD "current" release. To
	join, mail to 'majordemo@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu' with a mail body
	of "info". The reply will describe the mailing lists for NetBSD. The
	you will want to subscribe to te "current-users" mailing list.
	We will use this list to announce any special changes made to the
	"current" tree.


1.7	Documentation available

	There are two types of documentation for 386bsd.  First is the 
	set that covers the operation and theory used in BSD-Unix.  
	These sources are often excellent for background and understanding 
	of the current implementation of 386bsd.  Second is the set of 
	manuals written specifically for 386bsd.  Most of these are books 
	and magazine articles written by Bill and Lynne Jolitz.


1.7.1	BSD manuals

	The full set of BSD documentation is available via anonymous FTP 
	from ocf.berkeley.edu in /pub/Library/Computer/doc4.3.  To print 
	this documentation on 386bsd systems, replace the ditroff 
	references in the Makefile with 'groff -e -t -msU {SRC} >out.ps' 
	to generate PostScript format files.  Use different options to 
	make the output conform to other print styles.

	The etc distribution also comes with a documentation directory
	~/share/doc which has nearly 3Meg of documentation about 386bsd.
	  
	In addition, on-line manuals are available in the binary 
	distribution set.  It contains specific information on the use 
	of UNIX utilities and commands.  Type "man man" for information 
	on the online manual.


1.7.2	BSD books

	There is an excellent set of works recommended by Bill and Lynne 
	in the INSTALL.NOTES.  In addition, several other books have been 
	recommended by Andrew Moore and others.

	For learning how to work in the Unix environment, the standard text
	is "The Unix Programming Environment,"  by Kernighan and Pike.
	
	For Unix Administration, the best is "Unix System Administration
	Handbook," by Nemeth, Snyder and Seebass.

	For systems level programming (i.e., systems calls), I recommend
	"Advanced Unix Programming," by Marc Rochkind.  Unfortunately it is
	out-dated and oriented towards System V.  

	A new book "Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment," by W.
	Richard Stevens is very	up-to-date, and an excellent reference,
	especially for dealing with POSIX standards issues.

	For network programming, "Unix Network Programming," by W. Richard
	Stevens is highly regarded.
	
	The 4.3BSD Unix Manuals contain loads of invaluable tutorials and
	historical papers in addition to hard copies of on-line documentation.
	The six volume set is available from Usenix for $60.00 (email:
	office@usenix.org)

	I could go on, but let me mention just two more - if you have a full
	386BSD installation, you may want to learn the bash shell (in
	/usr/othersrc/public).  This is an extension of the Bourne shell (sh)
	with features from both the C shell (Csh) and the Korn shell (Ksh).
	The Korn shell is described in "The Kornshell," by Korn (of course).
	
	Second, I recommend you look at "The AWK Programming Language," by 
	Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan.  This is a very nice prototyping 
	language - powerful and easy to use.

	Another excellent reference book for 386bsd is "The Design and 
	Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating system" by  Samuel J. 
	Leffler, Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J. Karels, John S. 
	Quarterman, 1989, Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-06196-1.  While this 
	book is out of date in many sections, it is purported to be an 
	excellent source of historical information, if nothing else.  
	Chris Demetriou recommends the sections on the treatment of 
	file systems, caching and the networking layer.  The sections in 
	this books which do not apply to 386bsd include the VM section, 
	bootstrapping, and autoconfig.

	In addition, there are many other books which, for one reason or 
	another, have not made it into this brief list.  Rest assured that 
	this is not intended to be an exhaustive list by any means.  In 
	fact, Lynne Jolitz has offered to supply the FAQ with her preferred 
	reading list describing the current and future versions of 386bsd.  


1.7.3	The Jolitz Book

	Bill and Lynne Jolitz are writing a book about 386bsd.  It will 
	be announced once it is ready.  A tentative date of late 1992 
	was once offered, but since it is now 1994 and no book has 
	been announced, we can assume that it will be later than the 
	original estimate.
 

1.7.4	Dr. Dobbs' journal

	For users who wish to understand the internals of the BNR/2 BSD 
	family of Operating Systems originally developed and/or ported by 
	William F. Jolitz from 1989 to the present, the most immediate 
	and available reference is the feature series entitled 
	"Porting UNIX to the 386: A Practical Approach", appearing in Dr. 
	Dobbs' Journal, USA (January 1991 to July 1992) and UNIX and iX 
	Magazines, Germany (June 1991 to present). For inquiries on the 
	article series (including reprints),  contact the magazines for 
	information.

	"Porting UNIX to the 386: A Practical Approach" (feature series) 
	by Jolitz and Jolitz
	
	 1/91: DDJ		"Designing a Software Specification"
	 2/91: DDJ		"Three Initial PC Utilities"
	 3/91: DDJ		"The Standalone System"
	 4/91: DDJ		"Copyright, Copyleft, and Competitive Advantage"
	 4/91: DDJ		"Language Tools Cross-Support"
	 5/91: DDJ		"The Initial Root Filesystem"
	 6/91: DDJ		"Research and the Commercial Sector: Where Does 
				BSD Fit In?"
	 7/91: DDJ		"A Stripped-Down Kernel"
	 8/91: DDJ		"The Basic Kernel"
	 9/91: DDJ		"Multiprogramming and Multiprocessing, Part I"
	10/91: DDJ		"Multiprogramming and Multiprocessing, Part II"
	11/91: DDJ		"Device Autoconfiguration"
	 2/92: DDJ		"UNIX Device Drivers, Part I"
	 3/92: DDJ		"UNIX Device Drivers, Part II"
	 4/92: DDJ		"UNIX Device Drivers, Part III"
	 5/92: DDJ		"Missing Pieces, Part I"
	 6/92: DDJ		"Missing Pieces, Part II"
	 7/92: DDJ		"The Final Step: Running Light with 386BSD"
	
	You can contact M&T Books (DDJ) for reprints if you can't get them from 
	your technical library:
	
	1-800-356-2002 (inside CA)
	1-800-444-4881 (better In NA Backorder number)
	1-415-358-9500 (international)
 
	 6/91: UNIX Magazin	"Portierung von BSD-UNIX auf den 80386. Heimlich 
				Liebe."
	 7/91: UNIX Magazin	"Steighilfe."
	 8/91: UNIX Magazin	"Systemverwaltung durch Tabellen"
	 9/91: UNIX Magazin	"Sicher bewegen auf fremdem Terrain"
	10/91: UNIX Magazin	"Damit die Fehlersuche nicht zum Hurdenspringen 
				wird"
	11/91: UNIX Magazin	"Alles in eine Schublade"
	12/91: UNIX Magazin	"Feuer und Wasser"
	 1/92: UNIX Magazin	"Rekursives Speicher-Mapping"
	 2/92: UNIX Magazin	"Tanz auf dem Eis"
	 3/92: UNIX Magazin	"Aus Hanschen wird Hans"
	 4/92: UNIX Magazin	"Das Geheimnis des Multiprogramming"
	 5/92: UNIX Magazin	"Zeitmanagement scheibenweise"
	 6/92: UNIX Magazin	"Magie des Kernels"
	 7/92: UNIX Magazin	"Erkenne Dich Selbst"
	 9/92: UNIX Magazin	"Niemand is eine Insel"
	10/92: UNIX Magazin	"Treiberlatein"
	12/92: UNIX Magazin	"Einlandung erforderlich" 
	 1/93: iX Magazin	"Wir unterbrechen das Programm"
	 2/93: iX Magazin	"Liste gut, alles gut"
	 3/93: iX Magazin	"Blick ins Allerheiligste"
	 4/93: iX Magazin	"Von Bl"ocken, Ringen und Zeichen"
	
	NOTE: The series in UNIX Magazin was moved to IX Magazin in 1/93.
	The article in the April issue was the last one in the series.
	
	In addition, other major articles which discuss 386BSD in detail:
	
	 8/92: UNIX Magazin "Interview mit Bill Jolitz. Das passiert mit 
	 	386BSD" by Jurgen Fey
	 8/92: DDJ "Very High-Speed Networking" by W.F. Jolitz
	12/92: DDJ "Inside the ISO-9660 Filesystem Format" by Jolitz and 
		Jolitz
	
	Reprints of the first 19 parts on the UNIX Magazin series are available 
	from:
	
	iX Redaktion
	Stichwort: 386BSD-Serie
	Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co KG
	Helstorfer Str. 7
	D-30625 Hannover, Germany 
	
	Some of the parts are without code listings due to the unclear
	status of the BSD releases stemming from the Net/2 release.  Dr. 
	Dobbs is reported out of back issues of the articles listed above.
	You best bet may be to try your local public or school library.
	

	
1.7.5	Other FAQ's on the net that are relevant
	
	There are many FAQs that can be used in conjunction with 386bsd.  
	These include the FAQs for all of the GNU software, the different 
	shells that are available, the programming languages that are 
	available, and many more.  In addition, many programs have their 
	own FAQ which should be referenced whenever that package is being 
	added.  Good examples of the latter are the FAQs for elm, C-News, 
	and innd.
	 
	The observant reader will notice that there are very few 'X' 
	questions in this FAQ.  The XFree86 FAQ is posted regularly to 
	comp.os.386bsd.*.  There is no good reason to include any 'X' 
	questions in this FAQ, with the exception of the most basic 
	'Where can I get the 'X' FAQ'.
	
	Most FAQs are available by anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu and 
	via Usenet News in news.answers and/or comp.answers.  This FAQ
	is no exception (I hope). 
	
	
1.8	FTP sites for 386BSD
	
	A standard tool on Internet connected hosts for finding files is
	'archie'.  Searching the archie archive for either "386BSD"  or 
	"386bsd" yields the following list.   For UUCP sites, FTP-Mail 
	is available from gatekeeper.dec.com.  The list below was created 
	with an 'archie -l' on 08 Feb 1994 searching for 386bsd.

	For those folks that have access to telnet, but not FTP, you can use
	archie by using telnet and connecting to 132.206.2.3.  Log in as
	'archie' and use the 'prog' command to find programs of interest.
	The list below is included primarily for those folks that have only
	uucp, and will need to get their software though UUCP and other
	channels.
	

1.8.1	FTP Site List

	This list is automatically generated every time the FAQ is 
	produced.  Please do not request that your host be added to 
	this list.  If your host is represented in an 'archie' list,
	it will be reflected here.  Several other sites are included 
	in Section 1.8.4 below.

	Host					Directory
	ascwide.ascii.co.jp           /pub2/language/clisp/386bsd/
	binkley.cs.mcgill.ca          /pub/386bsd/
	bloom-picayune.mit.edu        /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/os/386bsd/
	brolga.cc.uq.oz.au            /pub/386bsd/
	etlport.etl.go.jp             /pub/386bsd/
	etlport.etl.go.jp             /pub/ccipr/386bsd/
	ftp.cfi.waseda.ac.jp          /pub3/fj/fj.sources/386bsd/
	ftp.germany.eu.net            /pub/comp/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/flexfax/port/386bsd/
	gatekeeper.dec.com            /.0/BSD/386bsd/
	gatekeeper.dec.com            /.9/plan/lisp/clisp/binaries/386bsd/
	grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr          /pub/msdos/386bsd/
	hpb.mcc.ac.uk                 /pub/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /BSD/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/flexfax/port/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /ftpmail/ftp.ae.keio.ac.jp/pub/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /ftpmail/ftp.iij.ad.jp/pub/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /ftpmail/ftp.meiji.ac.jp/pub/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /ftpmail/ftp.phys.keio.ac.jp/pub/386bsd/
	isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp       /ftpmail/ftp.phys.keio.ac.jp/pub/tex/dviout/386bsd/
	knot.queensu.ca               /pub/tcrunchers/Unix/386bsd
	krynn.efd.lth.se              /pub/386bsd/
	lth.se                        /pub/netnews/386bsd/
	net-1.iastate.edu             /pub/386bsd/
	oes.orst.edu                  /pub/386bsd/
	orion.oac.uci.edu             /pub/386bsd/
	rs3.hrz.th-darmstadt.de       /pub/programming/languages/lisp/clisp/binaries/386bsd/
	scslwide.sony.co.jp           /pub/386bsd/
	sifon.cc.mcgill.ca            /pub/ftp_inc/386bsd/
	src.doc.ic.ac.uk              /computing/databases/postgres/unofficial-ports/386bsd/
	tesla.ee.cornell.edu          /pub/386bsd/
	theta.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp       /pub2/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/flexfax/port/386bsd/
	ugle.unit.no                  /pub/386bsd/
	1.secs.oakland.edu         /pub/386bsd/
	world.std.com                 /src/mail/mh-6.8.3/conf/examples/386bsd
	world.std.com                 /src/telcom/FlexFAX-news/port/386bsd/
	world.std.com                 /src/telcom/FlexFAX/port/386bsd/


	The code may soon also to be available, or perhaps is already 
	available, from both CompuServe and BIX.

1.8.2	Official distribution sites

	According to Lynne Jolitz, there is no such thing as an 'official' 
	386bsd site.  The closest we have is 'agate.berkeley.edu' which is 
	mirrored at several of the sites listed above.

1.8.3	Reference sites

	For a brief period, ref.tfs.com was available for use as a reference 
	system.  This system was used as the test-bed for many programs that 
	were ported to 386bsd by many authors.  Unfortunately, ref.tfs.com 
	has been disabled as a reference system.  Once a replacement is 
	established, it will be noted here.

	There is now a site in Germany that is acting as a reference site 
	for 386bsd.  The name is "g386bsd.first.gmd.de", also known as
	"bsd386.first.gmd.de". Sorry, no anonymous ftp yet. But there is
	a "guest" login with the password "guest".

	But the most important reason why I had installed the machine on 
	the network was for all these people who don't have enough space 
	to compile their own kernel or their own packages.   They can do 
	it on this machine.  ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de )

	Also, Montana State University has offered accounts on a 386BSD
	machine to anyone who has a project they would like to do.
	Send email to nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu with the name of your project
	and have your account setup.  As of this writing, the machine has
	access to both NetBSD and 386BSD 0.1 + patchkit sources online.  Here
	is Nate's announcement.

	This is to announce the availability of a machine on the network
	available for anyone to do specific 386BSD/NetBSD projects.

	Unfortunately, due to a not having a T1 network link, our connection
	does not have the bandwidth to do the same job as 'ref' did.  
	However, this machine can be used by anyone who does not have the 
	resources to do projects on their own machine, or who does not have 
	a machine to do a project on it.  In addition, I have local copies 
	of the interim release work and the NetBSD stuff (which are always 
	a little behind due to them both being done by hand).

	Prerequisites for getting an account are simple:

	1) telnet access so you can login - No modems are available, and you
	   wouldn't want to pay for long distance to Montana anyway :-)
	2) a specific project to accomplish/attempt
	3) a mail message sent to me stating your project and an account name.

	The projects don't have to be overly specific, but since I can't
	provide access to everyone, I need projects to give to the folks 
	who provided the resources to me a listing of the projects that 
	are being worked on.

	The machine is a 486/33 with 16MB of memory and 3Gig of disk, some 
	local and some NFS mounted.  The engineering Dept.. of Montana State 
	University has provided a large part of the resources this machine 
	has, and backups are being done on a regular basis.

	Please send all requests for account to: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu, 
	which is the machine that is being provided for the network access.


1.8.4	Unofficial archive sites that have neat stuff!

	There are many sites that have things which have either been ported 
	to 386bsd or are available to the world.  Use archie to find these 
	sites, or read comp.os.386bsd.* for more information.
	
	agate.berkeley.edu:~/0.1-ports 
	agate.berkeley.edu:~/unofficial/from-ref
	
	Listed here because they don't have access to 'archie' yet...
	g386bsd.first.gmd.de -or- bsd386.first.gmd.de:
	    Sources for 386bsd0.1 and the later patchkits.
	    Source for NetBSD0.8 and the newer snapshots.

	    Xfree is installed binary as version 1.3.

	Ported software are:
	    tcsh6.03.00
	    emacs19-15
	    gcc-2.4.5
	    top3-1
	    perl4.0.36
	    elvis1.7
	    bison-1.21
	    rn and nn.

	 In addition, ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de has a lot of neat 
	 software and Wolfram Schneider (wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) has 
	 'ported' the FAQ into LaTeX.  It is available in 
	 pub/386BSD/FAQ/tex in both PostScript and DVI formats.


1.8.5	 X for 386BSD 0.1 Ported Software List

	This is a list of non-core X window system application that 
	have been ported to 386BSD 0.1.  The ftp server and directory 
	name are listed above and each file or directory name is 
	followed by a short description.  Feel free to send corrections, 
	additions or suggestions to rich@rice.edu.

agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/x-apps

	InterViews	C++ GUI class library + WYSIWYG document & graphics editors.
	img_1.3		raster image manipulator/viewer

agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/386bsd-0.1/unofficial/from-ref/public

	Xw		widget library
	ghostscript-2.5.2	interactive postscript interpreter/viewer
	ghostview-1.4.1	front end processor for viewing postscript
	gnuplot-3.2	interactive graphics/plotting
	gwm		generic window manager with lisp interpreter
	tk		GUI tool kit with Tool command languate (tcl) 
			interpreter
	ups		C source level debugger with slick GUI
	xbench		X server performance measurement tool
	xcdplayer	GUI for cd player
	xfig		interactive graphical editor
	xlock 		screen locker
	xntpd		network time protocol???
	xphoon		real-time view of lunar phase
	xpool		game of pool?
	xroach		yep, a roach crawling on your monitor.
	xscreensaver	screen blanker/saver
	xv		raster image viewer
	xvgr		?

nova.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/386bsd/submissions

	Xdtm-2.5.386bsd		X desk top manager
	idraw-bin.tar.Z		C++ GUI class library + WYSIWYG document & 
				graphics editors.
	img1.3.386bsd.tar.Z	see above
	mpeg_play.Z		animated raster image viewer
	small_X11r5.tZ		a minimal subset of the core distribution
	vogl.tar.Z		a library that emulatates Silicon Graphics 
				GL calls
	xview3			sun's GUI development tool kit

sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/incoming:

	Dirt.tar.Z		GUI development tool kit
	XBSD8514-0.1.Z		8514 X server port
	XS3-0.3-exp.Z		S3 X server port
	acm.tar.Z		aerial combat mission/flight simulator
	chess-vort-movie.tar.Z	?
	epoch.Z			enhanced emacs for X
	jpeg.tar.Z		jpeg viewer
	libXaw3d.a.Z		3D widget library
	mpeg-1.2.tar.Z		animated raster image viewer
	ups-2.45.bin.tar.Z	C source level debugger with slick GUI
	vort-movie.tar.Z	?
	xantfarm.tar.Z		screen saver with ants?
	xbench.tar.Z		X server performance measurement tool
	xpipeman.tar.Z		game: connect pipes to keep a liquid within
	xxgdb.tar.Z		GUI for GNU source level debugger