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Path: sserve!manuel!munnari.oz.au!hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!Shiva.COM!world!bzs From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Subject: Re: UNIGRAM's article on the USL-BSDI suit Message-ID: <BZS.92Aug1172816@ussr.std.com> Date: 1 Aug 92 22:28:16 GMT References: <1992Aug1.042344.23428@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <l7k5fqINNgc9@neuro.usc.edu> <l7k6maINNgeg@neuro.usc.edu> <l7k72rINNgfn@neuro.usc.edu> <leb.712651912@Hypatia> Sender: usenet@world.std.com (Mr USENET himself) Organization: The World Lines: 97 In-Reply-To: leb@Hypatia.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of Sat, 1 Aug 1992 06:51:52 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: ussr.std.com Re: UCB's ability to sustain a legal fight. It is not just UCB, it's essentially all Universities who are being challenged and they know it. USL winning this case would have far-reaching implications pertaining to the ownership of intellectual property, and not just in Computer Science, but biotechnology, physics, chemistry and other fields where close industry associations exist. Merely fighting off the inevitable lawsuits precipitated by a judgement favorable to AT&T/USL could cost Universities billions over the next few years, not to mention loss of control of billions of dollars of intellectual property. There are several large, research-oriented Universities (Harvard, Stanford and MIT come right to mind) who are very capable of pursuing their interests and, no doubt, quite interested in not seeing a ruinous decision/precedent obtained. Last I heard Harvard had about $20 billion in its endowments (more or less cash in the bank), and a fairly capable law school and other specialists in public affairs (ahem.) The fastest and most economical way to resolve this: Several major research universities form a consortium, each chips in a few dozen millions and just buys USL. Their investment could be recouped and made profitable by legitimate licensing and technology interests, and their intellectual property ranging from X-Windows to NET-2 etc would be protected to the extent that any adverse precedent could be used in the future to make claims against those properties. If those same universities can sink similar amounts of monies into bio-technology companies (Genentech, Seragen, etc) and other ventures of much higher risk (after all Unix seems fairly well established) I think they would do well to seriously consider this proposal. -------------------- Post Script: It is pathetic to watch AT&T/USL, after losing billions of dollars unsuccessfully trying to turn Unix into a business for themselves while just about everyone else involved with Unix manages to build successful companies, stoop to this sort of legal prevarication. No one makes money in these ugly fights other than the attorneys. You would think AT&T and USL would know better. These sorts of strategic litigation have already been well studied in the law journals and are known to be of questionable value (other than to the attorneys hired.) Either a product sells and is attractive to the market, or it is not. No judge and no jury can make a product profitable so long as legitimate competition exists. AT&T has long had serious problems with the quality of Unix products they have shipped and most have met with only lukewarm success in the market. In about one year IBM built a bigger and more profitable Unix market than AT&T/USL has in a decade of trying. In the past few years Sun Microsystems* has grown from a few hundred million dollars in revenue to several billions, all Unix. Similar stories abound for HP, SCO, Interactive, and many layered applications vendors. None of these companies has sought their markets in the courts. They sought their markets in the marketplace, which is the only place markets can be found. I have no doubt that AT&T/USL are tired and frustrated after losing billions of dollars trying to develop a Unix product acceptable to the marketplace. I have no doubt that this latest lawsuit is a desparate product of that frustration, perhaps a way for Roel Piper (CEO, USL) to put the blame on something other than the obvious: Failing to produce a product attractive to the marketplace. AT&T/USL should stop this pathetic enrichment of blood-thirsty attorneys and scapegoating of their own inadequacies, sit down at a table with the business interests involved, come to some equitable and peaceful solution, and get on with business. You may be able to fool the judgement of the courts, but you cannot fool the judgement of a free and open marketplace. * Sun Microsystems is a shareholder in USL. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD