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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
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Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 09:58:04 GMT
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Re: Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
This is getting really silly.
>> In article <jmonroyCptu4u.Bqr@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
>>
>> These are quite a few rough words, when neither
>> you nor I have seen the code. As this is the case,
>> (that neither one of us has seen the code) I won't
>> comment on your comment.
>>
>> I can go by past experience just as well as the next person, Jesus,
>> and `innocent until proven guilty' only applies for me when the
>> parties in question haven't been proven guilty in every previous
>> instance.. :-)
>>
Well if you had bothered to quote me, I might have
responded to your comments. Seeing as you did not
quote me... I won't comment on your comment.
>> Then came along some very bad companies. They
>> did not like Bill. Bill did not like them.
>> They argued. They called each other nasty names.
>> Neither Bill nor the companies talk to each other
>> much now-a-days.
>>
>> I'm not surprised. Bill, having all the negotiational skills of
>> Joseph Stalin, no doubt turned a number of small tiffs into full-scale
>> wars, which just goes to show that proper handling of the politics
>> surrounding a project are at least as important as the technical
>> issues (in some cases more so). In any case, there is a lesson to be
>> learned here from Bill, and I hope those wishing to start their own
>> free software efforts are taking heed of it. Don't alienate your
>> users, and don't poke sleeping giants with sticks! :-)
>>
Are you speaking for the alienated users or the sleeping
giants?
>> Along with these upset people were people that
>> thought they knew what was right. And they
>> thought Bill was wrong. They also argued
>> and disagreed with Bill. Bill became very upset.
>> Some said he was a very bad person. They said that
>> Bill said bad things. This was not good.
>>
>> In the days that followed, Bill left and decided to
>> take his OS with him. He did not want play with the
>> rest of the kids. This made they rest of the kids very
>> upset. They called Bill nasty names. They also
>> became very upset if anybody mention Bill's name.
>> Everyone yelled and scream and was very upset.
>>
>> I just love this prose, folks. Not only is it wildly innaccurate
>> regarding the sequence and intensity of events, it also grossly over-
>> simplifies just about every aspect of that history. Jesus, if we
>> wanted the cartoon version of the *BSD history we'd have asked for it.
>>
What are you talking about!?! ... you did ask for it.
>> You should also get your facts straight and perhaps spend a little bit
>> of time talking to all those `bad folks' who spend hours and hours,
>> not to mention many dollars, engaged in long-distance phone calls with
>> Bill, trying to get some idea of what was going on and listening to
>> his increasingly extravagant promises.
>>
This is your best run-on sentence yet.
>> We never asked him to do
>> anything special for us, we simply wanted the truth! You seem to
>> share his aversion for it, prefering hyperbole and gross exaggeration
>> instead.
>>
Well, I'll agree that some things get coloured by my
perception, but a gross exaggeration is just a
gross exaggeration.
>>
>> Today we have FreeBSD and friends, NetBSD and friends,
>> and 386bsd and friends. No one can agree on what to do.
>> No will agree to talk. To add to this a nasty wanna-be-wizard
>> named jmonroy@netcom.com is telling everyone.
>> This is making everyone upset, again.
>>
>> We talk all the time, Jesus. I don't know anything about the 386BSD
>> camp since NONE OF THE BLOODY "DEVELOPERS" of 386BSD EVER SAY ANYTHING!
>>
The most interesting part of this whole conversation
is the fact that I'm quite willing to concede that F***BSD
and N**BSD have been doing more -- by definition.
However, you seem addimate(sp?) on the persicution(sp?)
of my drivel.
(There I spelled drivel correctly... Happpy.)
As a matter of fact, maybe you missed my subliminal
message of using upper case for N & F and lower case
for Bill's version.
So what's my point? I have no point at this time.
I really am not inclined to continue this conversation
at your tone.
>> Physician, heal thyself! How many here have heard advance reports of
>> what would be in this surprise release of 386BSD 1.0? How many can
>> claim to have worked on it? Now how many 386BSD users went over to
>> FreeBSD or NetBSD because of the total lack of committment to them
>> shown by Bill and his unknown cronies? You can put your hands down
>> now, thank you.
>>
What the hell is your problem?!?
Months ago -- I asked many members if they were
willing to talk about the *new* version of
386bsd when it came out. You were amoung
these people.
Now, I am supposed to beleive that Satan and his disciples
have come to avenge the ruthless Empire.
Give me a damm break! Let's get to the OS talk -- and
quit this silly conversation.
My interest is in OS development and my software projects.
So I will pray that at this juncture we will
see what we must do and continue.
God help us all.
>> What this amounts to is the open development groups coming under fire
>> for being `not open enough' from a group that's always had restricted
>> membership and zero "public responsibility" in how they let people in
>> on the process, which is just ludicrous to say the least.
>>
Well, I'll agree with this -- something you said
was definitely ludicrous.
>> The moral of this story really is: No matter how far they have to
>> distort the truth to support their claims, Bill and Jesus are always
>> right. As always, these arguments are pointless - how can you argue
>> with someone who spends his life in an alternate dimension where black
>> is white and white is black?
>>
I'm wondering if I should even answer such a
crude statement.
1) I don't see any reason in defending a non-truth.
2) This story has no morals.
3) You said "how can you argue with someone".
I'm glad we're down to one person on this.
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mail storm@cs.mcgill.ca
Re: Subject: Re: Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
>> Date: 15 May 1994 18:57:00 GMT
>> In article <jmonroyCptu4u.Bqr@netcom.com>,
>> Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Then came along some very bad companies. They
>> > did not like Bill. Bill did not like them.
>> > They argued. They called each other nasty names.
>> > Neither Bill nor the companies talk to each other
>> > much now-a-days.
>>
>> of course, bill just so happened to be working for some of
>> these 'bad' companies at the time, but this tends to be
>> rather convenient to ignore.
>>
It's *convenient* to leave it out, because
the bad company will deny that Bill work
with them.
(New 386bsd fans: This message is convenient to ignore.)
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Last Note: Anyone else planning to follow up
on these comments is only taking
the flame-bait.
(This comment is a flame-bait.)
--
Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com
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