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Xref: sserve comp.os.386bsd.misc:2930 comp.os.linux.misc:20636 Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!think.com!spdcc!merk!rmkhome!rmk From: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledge (was BSD vs. LINUX) Organization: The Man With Ten Cats References: <30jqp1$ees@grex.cyberspace.org> <1994Jul21.182603.15882@belvedere.sbay.org> <2NsBkiCqLiLU068yn@cs.odu.edu> <30pn0a$9rf@hermes.unt.edu> <CtEuyA.En1@world.std.com> <1994Jul24.185248.5906@escape.widomaker.com> <michaelv.775258838@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> <1994Jul28.025818.6937@escape.widomaker.com> Message-ID: <9407301453.48@rmkhome.com> Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.com (Rick Kelly) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 19:53:54 GMT Lines: 79 Shannon Hendrix (shendrix@escape.widomaker.com) wrote: : We run 4.1.1 at work because we have a lot of 4/xxx systems and Solaris : 2.x causes a huge performance hit. Also, we don't like the idea of $700 : compilers when we used to get them for nothing. But, we need some new : machines and they only come with Solaris. I don't like it but we really : have no choice. We have to build systems to customer specs and most of : them want Solaris, Motif, and hi-powered Suns. When my SunOS machine is : taken away from me I probably won't like it but I don't have a choice in : the matter. Solaris 1.1.1_U1 Release B = SunOS 4.1.3. They are adding new devices, and they are fixing bugs. There is some support for multiproccesor machines. Currently, at work, we run 4.1.3 on Sparc 1, Sparc 2, Sparc ELC, Sparc 10, Sparc Classic, Sparc 1000, Sparc 20. I will soon have a Sparc 20 on my desk running 4.1.3. : I think it already is. Then again, once the bugs are worked out of : Solaris and more and more systems are running SysV4.x it may actually : help them. Think about the scenario where Sun does *NOT* go SysV and : everyone else does. That could be just as bad for them. Solaris for x86 is probably the slowest Intel UNIX. : As far as administration... I can run BSD admin tools or SysV. My choice. : Most of the time, I do admin by hand. The tools that I do have on the : system are a mix of BSD, SysV, and unique stuff from various sources. I : never really liked any of it. I use SysV init because it seemed to work : smoother than other init's I tried. Linux really doesn't have a standard : in this regard. You pretty much choose whatever you want. Of course, : there is the heavy smell of GNU... And thus the possibility of having hundreds of different, incompatible versions of Linux. : Geez... what lies? When all these companies are dropping their BSD : ports and moving to SysV (and OSF) I'm lying to point that out? How : exactly is that a lie? It's happening right now. One company is selling OSF/1, which is SVR2 plus BSD. : Just as not all BSD users are bigots, despite many of the most vocal BSD : users being fire-breathing BSD bigots. Anytime any UNIX user feels like : bashing another UNIX instead of sticking together (like we should) they : should just picture themselves running a DLL through a debugger under : Win/32s. Blech. : Of course, the above is NULL if the UNIX OS is really crappy and un-UNIXish. : Of COurse tHerE is no Reason to mENtion which ones thaT are reAlly so : Insanely eXcruciating to run. Sequent. Very powerful hardware and a UNIX that sucks. Coherent? I'm typing this on a 486DX/33 running Coherent 4.2. With the new high performance SCSI driver it appears to run about as fast as the 486DX2/66 NetBSD box that is sitting next to it. There are features missing from my Coherent box that I wish I had - embedded TCP/IP, demand paging, and the Berkeley FFS. However, when I can compile an application or utility, and take the binary to a SCO UNIX site that is running the base OS (no compiler), and just load and go... Neither BSD or Linux can do that now. I know something about the next release of Coherent. I guess you will still have 2 complaints - it will still cost $99 and it won't come with source. So I have BSD unix, which is my favorite flavor, on one side of the room, and an SVR3 development box, Coherent, on the other side of the room. Both worlds without having it stirred together in one pot - SVR4. -- Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.com rmk@bedford.progress.com