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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!cs.mu.OZ.AU!mrg From: mrg@mame.mu.OZ.AU (matthew green) Subject: Re: Usefulness of BSD/Linux Source Knowledg Message-ID: <mrg.775925454@dynamo> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 References: <cln.775305310@dynamo> <316kug$ea9@wsiserv.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:50:54 GMT Lines: 65 gabara@Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.DE (Andrej Gabara) writes: >Maybe BSD is not dead, but it is dying. An no panacea in sight, is there? oh? it's dead? i guess thats why there are at least three seperate teams working on bsd at the moment. >>i wish at&t would die, and take svr4 with it. it's >>really sad that svr4 is the ``industry standard.'' > >You want AT&T to die? Why? Don't you know that Novell purchased USL? AT&T's >UNIX is called Plan9, and not SYSV! perhaps you need to re-read what i said. btw: plan9 is not unix. >BSD has not developed a lot during 10 years. No dynamic loading of device >drivers. I really like how IBM AIX does this. You install a drive by putting in >the hardware, reboot, and voila, the system detects the drive, sets up the >device files in /dev, dynamically loads the device driver, and you're set. ``bsd has not developed a lot during 10 years.'' thats a pretty wild statement, andrej. 4.3bsd wasn't even released 10 years ago, and there has been a hell of a lot of changes since then (can you say 4.3reno, 4.3tahoe, net/1 net/2, 4.4, 4.4-lite ? i knew you couldn't) rebooting a machine is *not* dynamic loading of device drivers. oh, btw, terry lambert released code a couple of years (or so) ago that gives bsd's run-time loadable kernel modules (``dynamic loading''). they exist in netbsd _today_ and are actively in use. >The logical volumes are way cool. Have you ever created partitions for BSD? When >you run out of space of one partition, how do you enlarge it? Easy ;-) backup the >drive, change the partition sizes, and do a restore (taking hours at least). The >AIX filesystem sizes grow on demand (since they are virtual, somewhat like >virtual memory). People think this causes a lot of overhead, but I foud the AIX >filesystem extremely fast. i like the aix file system stuff. it's pretty powerful. >If BSD 4.5 would include the following: >- Dynamic loading and configuration of devices (so people won't have to recompile > kernels) this is not what aix does. if you make a bsd kernel with every device driver in it, it will do exactly the same as what aix does. >- Logical volumes such as in AIX that'd be nice, though, i'd rather do it slightly different. >then I'm sure people will find BSD a lot more attractive than right now. a lot of people find bsd attractive as it is. bsd comes with source. that, by itself, is more than enough reason for me to use it. oh, btw. the csrg is defunct. `Don't you know that?' there will be no bsd 4.5 (at least, thats what the csrg have said). .mrg.