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Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.development Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: Re: Call for 386BSD Rel.1.0 SIG (Special Interest Group) Message-ID: <jmonroyCuu0HM.7p3@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <jmonroyCuFvqp.BKv@netcom.com> <3319ti$7rl@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 11:41:46 GMT Lines: 98 mail jkh@violet.berkeley.edu Re: Subject: Re: Call for 386BSD Rel.1.0 SIG (Special Interest Group) >> Date: 19 Aug 1994 03:45:54 GMT >> >> In article <jmonroyCuFvqp.BKv@netcom.com>, >> Jesus Monroy Jr <jmonroy@netcom.com> wrote: >> > [Fine Monroy Purple Prose deleted] >> > >> > Official - no less, this version promises more! >> >> And "promise" seems to remain the watchword. When can you actually lay >> your hands on a 386BSD 1.0 CD or fetch the bits from your favorite ftp >> site? Repeat those time-honored words after me, folks: Real Soon Now! >> I must say, that either I have change or perhaps this is an off-day for you because usually I get much snappier responses from you, Jordan. >> > "What", I can not say. None the less, the i386 (and family) >> > are quickly becoming the de facto standard for personal >> > computer development. This and the accomplishments of fast >> >> Fine, we even believe you (sort of). But then the question still remains: >> >> "Why follow Bill?" >> I don't believe that I've asked this of anyone, but perhaps in the interest of objectiveness, let's say I did ask that question: "Why follow Bill?". >> The other *BSD's are delivering solutions NOW, have delivered solutions for >> the last 18 months, during which time Bill had abandoned his users to an >> uncertain fate, and show every sign of continuing to do so. >> I will take your comments as the prevailing opinion of the *bsd development community on the "NET". However, other people do not feel the same, and this is my reminder to you that this is so. >> Considering >> that Bill's track record, not to put too fine a point on it, SUCKS, why >> should we trust him? >> I'd take a similar look at persons that are involved with the current development of *bsd (no pun intended), I might consider myself to be heading for economic suicide. None the less, I will consider your question: "why should we trust him?", as partially retorical. Let's continue with the discussion. >> Bill sort of reminds me of DEC. An often brilliant company, one that brought >> us many milestones in computing, but also a company that screwed its users >> once too often with delayed promises and expensive switch-a-roos. >> Sounds more like IBM that DEC to me... Let's continue. >> Meanwhile, >> its competition quietly went ahead and delivered good hardware in a TIMELY >> fashion and they ate DEC's lunch. >> In this case, let's consider "lunch" to be symbolic of a reward perhaps. A reward that one might relish in a moment of great victory. ..... continuing. >> Might we learn something from this small parable? >> Retorical, again I take it !?! >> I have, but somehow, I do not think that Jesus has or will. >> I learn and follow quit well. >> He continues to follow his beloved guru no matter what >> direction he might lead. >> Well, this part is true... although I don't think I would use the word "guru" with Bill.... Czar might be more in line. (no pun intended) >> I also went to the talk, and saw little or no clothes on the Emperor (well, >> perhaps a modest loincloth). More details on that little soire' later.. >> Now, which talk are we mentioning here, August the 17th or some other date? And if you were at the meeting, where were you seated? Remember I video taped the event. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________