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Xref: sserve comp.os.os2.programmer.misc:12444 comp.os.linux.development:13772 comp.os.minix:24086 comp.os.mach:4129 comp.periphs:6041 comp.unix.bsd:14658 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:6934 comp.os.386bsd.development:2439 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage:9149 comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:7263 Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.minix,comp.os.mach,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: More notes about Bill Jolitz's Talk to the SVNET Message-ID: <jmonroyCuxMAB.8IL@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.os.386bsd.development Keywords: 386bsd release 1.0 Bill jolitz Operating System new design Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:25:23 GMT Lines: 83 Notes about Bill Jolitz's Talk to the SVNET _________________________________________ Please note that I have modified the "follow-up" line, as was requested by many. In the future, I will try to maintain this policy. Also, I would like to apologize to other newsgroups for my previous oversight on this matter. Thank You. PURPOSE _______ The purpose of these discussions is, of course, to amplify the comments by Bill Jolitz and others in the UNIX community that would like to see some changes in the *BSD system, as we know it now. As always, we are hoping for improvements so that theory and application find a happy medium. Please remember though that 386bsd is an *experimental Operating System*. THEME _____ The theme of these discussions are to explore the concepts that Bill has brought to light in his recent remarks to the SVNET. It should be noted that not all the ideas or "bullets" that will be mentioned are Bill's. Bill is simply a messenger and we should not castrate him because of past (or possible future) differences. What are the ideas? ___________________ In Bill's opening remarks to the SVNET he presented a overhead slide that highlighted so issues concerning "usability". In fact, Bill's slide was labeled "Challenge:usability". What are those issues? Here are the "bullets": o Dynamic configuration (Symbolic, Unordered, Universal) o Uniform Source Tree and Program Building Environment o Provision for multiple system environments o Provision for easy extensibility o Minimum system management overhead o Extended Kernel tracing for performance evaluation and fault isolation o Role-based security to restrict/interdict intrusion ORDER _____ Before you break out your pocket thesaurus -- we should consider just one of Bill's bullets at a time. Shutter I should ask someone to decide the order; as such, we'll take these items in order. Breaking order will only confuse issues, so my recommendation is one idea at a time. This is not to say that the other ideas might not have validity to their predecessors, it is just that when we return to these ideas -later- one might be confused as to what is what. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________