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Xref: sserve comp.unix.user-friendly:2788 comp.unix.solaris:21782 comp.unix.programmer:19556 comp.unix.misc:13649 comp.unix.aux:15175 comp.unix.bsd:14722 comp.unix.aix:43123 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!not-for-mail From: brewer@hamlet.umd.edu (Peter Brewer) Newsgroups: comp.unix.user-friendly,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.aux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: xargs and alias commands Date: 26 Aug 1994 12:51:44 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 61 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <33l6j0$jii@hamlet.umd.edu> References: <33af70$8rd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <33gvms$56a@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> <33jk6l$6cq@hamlet.umd.edu> <3552@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: hamlet.umd.edu In article <3552@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote: >brewer@hamlet.umd.edu (Peter Brewer) writes: > >>In article <33gvms$56a@wombat.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>, >>Chris Bitmead <chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>Who would want to use tcsh when you could be using bash/zsh/ksh? Reality >>>check. > >>Just about anyone who likes Berkeley flavors of Unix over ugly un-networked >>extremely limited and sold to the highest bidder, (NOVELL) System V. Sorry >>but I find most of System V less than enchanting. You still cannot do >>may things with ksh and bash that you can with tcsh except make functions. > >Well... so much of it depends on what you learned on. Believe it or >not, my background is about 55% SysV, 15% SysIII (on a PDP-11 :) ) and >the rest BSD. No doubt about it, BSD extensions make UNIX much better, >but I like the core of SysV better... don't know why, just do. >-- > | Jim Jagielski | jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | V: 301 286-5964 | Jim, Jim, I thought you of all people would know better by now? Berkeley "extensions"? How many filesystems on your machine are configured to use the Berkeley Fast File System as opposed to Sys V ufs? I thought so. How often do you use TCP/IP and its friend NFS? Wasn't it MACH-Berkeley who contrived lightweight threads and multi-threaded kernels? Was X Windows built for Berkeley or for System V initially? Which environment got Appletalk networking support first? (Mt Xinu et al) Okay now which environment got Postscript, NeWS, Display Postscript first? Gee, what did I get from Sys 5? Terminfo... is it that much better than termcap upon which it is based? C++ landed there first. And oh yea many like the System V print spooler better than the Berkeley spooler unless of course they want be able to spool files across a network to a remote printer. When Cray first decided to build Unicos they bought System V and then ended up rewriting it to be more of a Berkeley kernel. Crays do not do well without a network to other machines. Yep ps works the system V way as does ls but lets face it this was ALL FOR MARKETING purposes. System V is supported by a commercial outfit and Berkeley was not? Foolish managers did not realize that Berkeley had better support from a University via DARPA funding. Perhaps one of the BEST uses of our tax money in the history of the country. Then DARPA cancelled them because they were too competitive with System V and the screams from these corporations were loud and long. Gee, you'd think GORE, Mr. High Tech Information Highway would rectify that or at least get DARPA to fund the Hurd or the Mach projects. My experience has been for the most part Berkeley environments with System V 'extensions'. When we note how many folks are have 'frozen' at Solaris 1.1 or SunOS 4.x.x you can readily see how popular that 'flavor' is. -- Peter -- SAVE Mac Desktop Unix! Tell Apple to continue A/UX! Don't Let It Happen Again!-> "Just about every computer on the market today runs Unix, except the Mac (and nobody cares about it)." -- Bill Joy 6/21/85 ********* Peter W. Brewer brewer@umd5.umd.edu **********************