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From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Re: Call for 386BSD Rel.1.0 SIG (Special Interest Group)
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 02:00:02 GMT
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Faried Nawaz (foo-man@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu) wrote:
: In article <jmonroyCuwt5o.Cpw@netcom.com> jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
: Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@time.cdrom.com) wrote:
: : Ok, yes, let's say you did. So... You wouldn't happen to have an answer
: : to that question, would you?
: :
: OK.
: and you claim to be a computer scientist? what backwater U did you go
: to?!? didn't they teach elementary logic there?
:
This is so special, what are you talking about?
what are you quoting me about?
: : Well, hang on a sec - my point was that the {Net,Free}BSD folks HAVE
: : been delivering "product" all this time while Bill has been
: : conspicuously absent.
: :
: Let's take this point up.
: *BSD people have been delivering products, I won't
: argue as to the quality or quantity; that's not a issue.
: there is no issue of that.
: Bill Jolitz for all intensive purpose has been on
: the planet ZENON (where-ever that is)
: yes.
: he certainly wasn't supporting 386bsd 0.1 users. they turned to
: {free,net}bsd. they're happy. find me happy 386bsd 0.1 users. where are
: they?
:
If the Freebsd users are so damm happy, why do they
give a rats ass what I say and why are so many freebsd coreteam
members refering to themselves as users.
what is all this bull shit about?
I am making simple announcments, half you idiots say
you don't think Bill can produce viable work, but
you insist on letting everyone know that defending this
to your"net" death.
Has someone else noticed this going on besides me?
: : I'm not keen to continue the general Bill-bash
: : here, but it has to be said that there ARE far more grounds to trust
: : either of the independant *BSD groups than there are to trust Bill!
: :
: I think I must disagree.
: If the issue is do we trust Bill's word on
: the delivery time, then I say "NO".
: If the issue is do we trust Bill's program,
: documenting and analytical skill, then I have
: to reply with a hardy "YES!".
: you don't trust bill 100%? why should we?
:
read the response. Do waste my time with your inadequate
understanding of the English language.
: Mind you, my work (FDC, QIC, RTC and the RTE) have
: all sat idle waiting for Bill to finish 1.0 (or 0.2).
: I've been totally frustrated for two years just
: sitting on my ass waiting.
: what OS do you run, jesus? 386bsd 0.1? how does it compare with even
: freebsd 1.0.2? have you ever run {free,net}bsd? is dos your fave OS?
:
If you'd like to change the subject start a new thread.
You won't get an answer from me on a half hack.. like this.
Propganda 101.
: After all this my lesson are Bill won't deliver
: any work *that is free* on your schedule; he never will.
: as you said above, he won't deliver on his schedule either.
:
Yes. I said that. I don't believe you'll on time for
your noon nap, either.
: #2 Don't ever attempt to pin someone to a time
: schedule that is doing *free work*
: what if they do state a time schedule? are they liars?
:
Yes, UCB has lied to the world for years about the
accuracy of it's time delivery. So has IBM, SUN, NOVELL,etc.
What's your damm. point?
: #3 don't ask for help on the "NET", because
: there is a populous of morons striving
: to be the next Bill Gates.
: funny...you need a dictionary for "vitriolic" -- a word you're not familiar
: with, but you get "populous" wrong, and you don't check a dictionary.
:
No I don't waste my time here any more than I have to.
In short, if you want to maintain the discussion at
this level, this is all you'll get.
My time is worth money, I won't waste it on your lack of education.
: Now, in the last few days (weeks) I have tried
: to maintain a professional attitude about
: everything envolved, but responses from both
: groups {Free/Net}BSD have informed me that
: person of less than a mature attitude are
: blathering self-proclaimed knowledge.
: unfortunately, no. your attitude was that of a paranoid maniac who *has*
: to tell us how good 386bsd 1.0 is...even tho he's pro'lly never seen it,
: nor used it, nor can tell use when we can see it.
:
fINE, I'M A MANIAC.. GREAT THEN PUT ME IN YOUR KILL FILE
AND BE DONE WITH IT... i HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO.
: Taking this into consideration, what are
: the promise that hold for me by the current *BSD groups?
: (and this is not retorical)
: we (at least, I) just hope you leave...and soon....
:
Yes, put me in your kill file and help me, yourself and
the net.
: : He's promised a lot and delivered nothing so far.
: :
: I think you'll need to be more specific on this one
: before I will respond.
: what has he delivered? what can i get? when? why not NOW?
: no, i don't want 386bsd 0.1.
:
I ask the question... answer it do't re-thread on me.
: : We've made our own
: : promises, but by and large we've delivered on them!
: :
: You'll definitely have to be more clear on this one.
: no.
: you need to clarify your implied accusation.
: what are you accusing {free,net}bsd of not delivering on?
:
yes, you'll need to be more clear.
present a list.
show the net.
quite hiding behind the masquared of numbers...
: You'll have to answer to questions before you
: get a respond from me on this.
: #1 What is it that you consider the must be
: *reliable*?
: support for users, for one
:
NO, reliable... read please.
: #2 How do you measure reliability?
: how do YOU measure reliability? you seem to know oh-so-much here.
:
I see that composition was not your best subject.
Try again.
: : No, a rhetorical question is one that one asks already knowing the answer.
: : I have no idea whether or not it's possible for you to learn anything
: : from my parable, thus making the question anything but rhetorical in at
: : least your case.
: :
: So your considering the question to be retorical for
: the third party readers, as I am?
: go away.
:
keep read folks this is ging to get good!
: : The August 17th talk. You mean he gave more than one? Shudder!
: :
: Yes, there was the Feburary talk, over a year old now.
: and he STILL hasn't delivered?
:
Well, special..... a question that looks like an answer..
: : I, unlike Jesus here, decided that enough had probably been
: : said about Bill already and they were right, so I cancelled it - it
: : was rather vitriolic!
: :
: Ah... damm were's my dictionary. OK... I'm very gald
: you did not post it.
: two spelling mistakes. and you checked your dictionary, too. idiot.
:
this is a waste of me time.. is there a person out there
that sees this idoticy?
: In some sense, the meeting was hostile and
: spell binding. Why?!? because I saw people
: from all bounds of the silicon valley:
: HP, IBM, SUN, SGI, LINUX, MACH and others.
: Do you think they had any problems with
: their remarks? I would say yes, but
: as computer scientist - we know what is new
: and what is sensible. The ideas Bill and Lynn
: spoke of in the meet take time to be investigated,
: especially on a large system such as UNIX.
: Please consider my call for a 386bsd Rel.1.0 SIG.
: anything to get you from wasting bandwidth and creating noise in
: comp.os.386bsd.*, and other newsgroups. anything to make you go away.
:
good! maybe you will then.
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Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com
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