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Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.ACO.net!news.sztaki.hu!goliat.eik.bme.hu!usenet From: pink@fsz.bme.hu (Szabolcs Szigeti (PinkPanther)) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: DooM for NetBSD, will it become a reali Date: 27 Sep 1994 11:23:31 GMT Organization: Department of Process Control, Technical University of Budapest, Hungary Lines: 94 Distribution: world Message-ID: <368vbj$d2q@goliat.eik.bme.hu> References: <hastyCwLLyJ.1IM@netcom.com> Reply-To: pink@fsz.bme.hu NNTP-Posting-Host: bagira.fsz.bme.hu I have already replied to Amancio Hasty about this in email, but he persuaded me to post. In article 1IM@netcom.com, hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: >In article <35rbnt$6jv@goliat.eik.bme.hu> pink@fsz.bme.hu writes: [ idea about COMPAT_LINUX deleted ] >Your idea sounds great !! > >However, I think that spreading the NetBSD or FreeBSD word also now >falls into the shoulders of the users. This also includes harrasing, >pestering or driving crazy vendors to include support for *BSD systems. > >Causally browsing on the net, I tend to see linux activists pushing >around linux. For instance, in comp.sys.intel, I spotted a headline >stating: "Linux rules the net". Yeah, I know that is sounds rediculous. >In comp.graphics.raytracing, a couple of the linux activitist where >trying to teach the DOS people how can they do ray-tracing using povray >and still read news... What i see is that while Linux users are amazed by that OS`s functions (they usually come from Microsucks land) BSD users are quiet, because things like multitasking and memory protection are standard to them. So that's why you don't hear BSD users say: do ray-tracing and word processing simultaneously!? Awsome dude! I don't want to offend anyone, i just say that many Linux users have little experience in any decent os. The other thing is something that is now getting to be a cliche, so please no flames: while there are two similar (to jmonroy: 2 similar and a superior ;-) BSD's out you can't win. People are confused, and usually they will grab the first Linux CD eventually. But i don't see any unification coming soon. We have to admitt Linux is more user-friendly, hence more people will choose it. And it's not suprising: if you don't have experience in UNIX, then a system that is up&running with X and emacs is more attractive than one with the architecture independent code separated in the kernel and the option to get emacs19.25.tar.gz and compile. So this is why the add_pkg project in FreeBSD is good. But since the split, NetBSD will have to write one instead of using this one. (I know it has been discussed extensively on the NetBSD mailing lists, so no flames again) >Also, I tend to see many more linux posters adverstising linux in their >signature. Thats just part of it... I had NetBSD once in my .sig, but that looked foolish. It's like having Coca Cola or Lotus 1-2-3 there. >A couple of months ago, in the "Wire", magazine, I spotted a short article >on linux -- it also had a cool linux logo. > The September edition of BYTE has two pages of Linux in it. And here in Hungary we had an article in a computer weekly, featuring Linux as the one and only free OS. I talked to the guy who wrote it, and he admitted, that he knew about the BSD systems, but (and I think he is right) they won't write about things that don't make money. The article mentions someone who is selling Linux CD's, and the BYTE article mentions some firm that is selling machines with Linux. (Or something like that). Might try to write letters to BYTE though. Another misconception around Linux is that people usually think that XFree or GNU CC is something that exsists and free because of Linux. If you read the BYTE article, you will see this about the fvwm window manager. In fact in the summer Richard Stallman was here talking about the FSF and GNU, and he said (a bit dissapointedly) that no such thing exists as a Linux system. Only a GNU system with a Linux kernel. So what would be ideal are: -One BSD (call it FretBSD or NreeBSD :-) with all the good stuff united. -Install CD's with precompiled and configured utilities. One 'official' version for every architecture. -And more openness to the general public. So spread the word. I use NetBSD (and used 386bsd0.1) because I found its ftp server before I saw Linux, and having some BSD experience I stayed with it. I might well be using Linux had it happened the other way, so in no way i am trying to suggest that BSD people are superior to Linux people. Thanks for your bandwidth, szabolcs --- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |You are not expected to understand this | Szabolcs Szigeti | | -- Ken Thompson in swtch() -- | Internet: pink@fsz.bme.hu | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=