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Xref: sserve comp.os.386bsd.questions:13888 comp.os.386bsd.misc:3751 Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!ns1.nodak.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jmonroy From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) Subject: Re: How UTTERLY Amazing! (Was Re: FreeBSD vs NetBSD) Message-ID: <jmonroyCxsILK.7wB@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <jmonroyCxqHo8.Kz3@netcom.com> <1994Oct16.132949.6046@palantir.p.tvt.se> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:58:31 GMT Lines: 125 Paul Pries (paul@pp2.smc.south.telia.se) wrote: : jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes: : : Paul Pries (paul@pp2.smc.south.telia.se) wrote: : [ even more nuked ] : : : : Yes, I'll agree with this. : : : : : With what? The renaming, or the name? There is a difference... : : : : : I'll agree that 386bsd r1.0 is vaporous. : : I'll agree that it might also need to be renamed. : : I'll agree that his analogy might be correct. : : : OK, this is clear. (At last...) : : : : : : : : Bill and Lynn have just as much at stake here as they : : : : next developer. Sure, I've heard tell of other OSs : : : : called Toy OSs, but does this stand to warrent that : : : : possibly 386bsd R1.0 could be a "Toy OS". : : : : : : : : Maybe! : : : : : I never called it a "toy OS", maybe a few other things, but not that. : : : What really pissed me off, was the ranting about "developement : : : environments" and how bad those are in the different BSD clones. : : : I won't comment on the examples you gave, they speak for them selves. : : : : : OK... you can do that. : : : Do what? Call the "vapourOS" different names? : Yes. : Get pissed off? : Yes. : Comment on your examples? Or what? : Yes, you may (or may) not commment on my examples. : Admit it, you are somewhat cryptic, aren't you? : If I want to be, yes. : : : What I really meant with the name "DOS BSD-1.0" was, that how can *you* : : : tell us how great 386BSD-1.0 will be in one breath, and in the next one : : : slap the *BSD development environment to the floor, when everybody knows : : : (even you, if I recall your own statements) that Bill and Lynne don't : : : give shit about _any_ environment (but their own, perhaps). : : : The only thing that counts for them is "cutting edge", you said it : : : ypurself. : : : Please explin this to me, but in plain english, no rantings. : : : : : OK. You'll have to bring this topic back again if : : your really interested... This thread and others : : are keeping me going right now and I don't have time : : to go on a tangent for a very good question. : : : : I hope this answer is Ok with you Paul. : : : What answer? I don't think you answerd anything at all. But what the heck, : I didn't really expect you to. : You're right I didn't answer anything. You made many statements, I don't have time to answer any of them. Can you make your statement again later? : [ more nuked suff ] : : : Yeah, the silent developers. They who produce code, not vapour. : : : Those who speak for themselves when they are ready to show some code. : : : Reread the above two lines, and think again what they say. : : : : : My point is that there are hundreds of developers out : : there (commercial and hobby) that don't have time : : to get on and listen to you or me blatter on about : : XYZ points on LINUX of *BSD. Additionally if they : : are of any worth, they wont' argue with any of the : : above personel.... Again this refers to my point, : : "The silent developer". : : : I usually don't participate in flamewars, and I'm not known to advocate : the pros and cons about different OS'es. That makes me one of those : hundreds of silent developers? How about you? ;-) : No you're not. and neither an I. "silent", in my book, means -- never ever saying a thing. John Sokol, my business partner, worked with Bill Jolitz on the original release of 386bsd (release 0.0). He does not have time for any ranting... soon I won't either. : If only worthless assholes argue (this is what you said, isn't it?), : then how do you expect any progress will be made in any developmentgroup? : I don't think I've ever said "worthless assholes", but let's say I did. If there are "WA" working on this, slowly the will die away..... sort of like the 3M theory on R&D CEO of 3M states in fortune magazine, "Sure, we start R&D projects and then cut the funding back three times. That's how we find out who's wants to follow-up on the technology and who's dedicated to getting the idea out." : While I'm waiting for a good answer on this one, I'll back out and lean : back in my chair, and ofcourse get some serious work done... : OK... good idea... We're going to move ahead on this... I hope you're ready. -- Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com Zebra Research /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________