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Xref: sserve comp.os.linux.misc:28947 comp.os.386bsd.misc:3994 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!news.ow.org!zoetermeer!delirium.ow.nl!not-for-mail From: ed@OW.org (Edvard Tuinder) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: LINUX SUCKS!!!! Date: 5 Nov 1994 21:52:22 +0100 Organization: The OpenWorld Foundation - The Netherlands Lines: 76 Message-ID: <39gra6$p1@delirium.ow.nl> References: <085334Z20101994@anon.penet.fi> <39bscj$9r1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <REINHOLZ.94Nov4101826@SG0D12.sig01> <CyrB5r.FqG@news.cern.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: provo.ow.org reinholz> Shutting a 8 1/2 billion dollar facist institution will take more than reinholz> BSD successful or not. BSD has had 20 years to become something and danpop> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ danpop> Could you tell us what was the current BSD version in 1974? Well, it may sound as a silly answer, but the first BSD version was 1. Yes really! It was based on UTS Sixth edition from Bell Labs. Ok, it wasn't in 74, but in 77, but what's only two (almost...) years in a man's lifetime.. reinholz> it has failed! If it is time to shutdown anything it is BSD. You might reinholz> want to go over to the jobs offered board, and contract board and see reinholz> how many are hiring for BSD vs System V (solaris, unix-ware, etc.). So? Is that an indicating that the BSD `experiment' has failed? Definitely not! If you check any current SysV system, you'll see plenty of BSD integrations. Just a few to mention, job control, demand-paged virtual memory, directory access routines, IPC, fast filesystem (FFS)... etc. BSD has definitely not failed. It may no longer be supported by Berkeley (the CSRG group), but that doesn't mean it's a failure. Another one, not that important though, but have you ever heard of something called the ARPAnet? One of the predecesors of the Internet. Ever heard the story about whom created the network code for this network? Good guess... Berkeley by the means of 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD. danpop> You may want to explain us why most Sun users are running SunOS 4.1.x danpop> (BSD based) and why Sun is still selling and supporting this "obsolete" danpop> version, since they tried (and are trying) very hard to make Solaris 2.x danpop> their flagship OS. And are still strugling in getting the big time customers in changing. Solaris (at least the first 2.* releases) were *really* buggy. Remember the fun at ftp.funet.fi, sunsite.unc.edu or src.doc.ic.ac.uk. They were (and are) all running Solaris. Only recent versions of Solaris are usable. We're still running SunOS 4.1.3 on our sun's and definitely won't switch to Solaris, atleast not while I'm in charge... reinholz> IF BSD IS SO POPULAR WHY ARE YOU HERE... Not enough posts on BSD got you reinholz> ^^^^ danpop> What to you mean by "HERE"? comp.os.386bsd.misc by any chance? Hint: danpop> get a clue a read the Newsgroups line before asking silly questions. danpop> Another clue, why do you think it was only 1992 before comp.unix.bsd was created. Because nobody used it? Get real! It was and still is one of the best implementations of UNIX for any system. BTW have you ever checked the POSIX 1003.1 standard? Any similarity between that and the BSD Unix system? Coincidental? No way, BSD is just superior to the first System V Unix implementations. Another one that comes to my mind, they're probably not that very well known: X/Open. Ever heard off? Yes? Didn't they adopt dozens of BSD functions? I rest my case. You may say that BSD is dead, but try to wake up and see the real world. Even if you're used to your SysV implementation, look again and you'll see plenty of BSD things ... reinholz> feeling like you where the only one who actually got FreeBSD after it reinholz> was known to be a slow and sad Performer, and now you are lonely. reinholz> Get out of here nobody cares! Let me rephrase that one: *you* are lonely. danpop> Note: I'm a Linux user and I read this in comp.os.linux.misc, but danpop> bullshit is bullshit, no matter from what "camp" it comes. Seconded. Ed -- Edvard Tuinder ed@OW.org The OpenWorld Foundation PGP Fingerprint 41 5F 94 22 29 90 F4 D3 6E 7A 89 F6 A5 9C 0F 23