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Xref: sserve comp.unix.aix:48518 comp.unix.bsd:15487 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:7649 comp.unix.solaris:27927 comp.unix.unixware:14890 Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.unixware Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!ebi.ac.uk!jr From: txomsy@ebi.ac.uk (J. R. Valverde (4423)) Subject: Re: Unix for PC Message-ID: <D0I1nn.G6s@ebi.ac.uk> Lines: 76 Sender: jr@ebi.ac.uk (J. R. Valverde (4423)) Reply-To: Jose.Valverde@ebi.ac.uk Organization: European Bioinformatics Institute (EMBL) - UK X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 References: <199411210319.TAA18133@nic.cerf.net> <D0CDv6.8v@novell.co.uk> <3c1q8k$97k@explorer.clark.net> <D0G42C.DCE@novell.co.uk> <D0G9vE.o8@fulcrum.co.uk> <D0GKyp.Jyz@novell.co.uk> Distribution: inet Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:57:23 GMT In article <D0GKyp.Jyz@novell.co.uk>, moronius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius) writes: >From: moronius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius) >Subject: Re: Unix for PC > >Ian G Batten (igb@fulcrum.co.uk) wrote: >: Is it just me, or is there something rather odd about an employee of a >: company that ships a for-money Unix for Intel railing against the >: development process of a for-free one? > >What's "odd" about it? I'll stop railing against your development process >once you stop railing against our price and the fact that we don't ship >source. Is that a deal? > So what's it, Moronius? Are you just trying to take away a competitor off the market just by using disinformation tactics? Has Novell fall so low as to need to recruit people like you? I don't think so, but you really need to think twice before opening your mouth. Look, it is as simple as this: 1) We are speaking of free software. And of a free software that provides a good quality level. It's difficult to beat such a cost/performance rate, but that's no excuse to begin a disinformation campaign. 2) It is well known for many free wares (not only LINUX) that there are "stable" versions, "beta" versions and "development" versions, just like it happens with any commercial ware. 3) Both, commercial and free providers make copies of their development and beta wares to interested parties. Only that getting a commercial one is *rather* difficult, and getting a free one is *very* easy. 4) The system is thought to work with "persons", not "morons". A person, and specially a professional selects the appropriate version he or she needs. And knows how to deal with his/her decisions. So there is no problem. - A "professional" knows if he/she needs a stable version and does not care to get the latest, still buggy, development venture, neither in the commercial nor the free world. So far for v#.0 versions. - And he/she also knows when he/she needs more advanced features or if s/he can afford the risk, or be in the leading edge, and then gets the betas (like developers for Windows, AXP, OSF, etc...). Knows that they will still be buggie, but prefers the bugs to be late in his/her deadlines. No worry about betas. They *need* them. - And a bery good pro may use an stabilished version but be willing to know about internal, new developments or want to suit the system to his/her needs. Then s/he goes for development versions or sources (something *REALLY DIFFICULT* in the commercial world). And euther studies the sources or develops new things. 5) In any case a "pro" works constructively with the appropriate tools. Only a moron goes ahead into troubled waters even when advertised of the risks and then flames others for his/her irresponsibility. Know in which rank are you placing yourself with your stupid messages? So far for morons. You look like the guy that installs MK87 of Mach in an unsupported platform and expects it to work better than any full blown OSF version and to have Real Time support, live voice and video and nice 3-D harlots to suck him out of the screen, and when any of these fails begins flaming all over the world and saying that he should have stuck with MeSh-DOS. Know your place. Know your limitations. Use the appropriate tools. And some day you might become a true professional. Dot. Don't expect me to follow discussing. It's no use with someone who still thinks grey matter is that which sticks to shoes when it rains. jr