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Xref: sserve comp.sys.powerpc:30126 comp.sys.intel:25800 comp.os.misc:3537 comp.unix.bsd:15664 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:7824 comp.unix.sys5.r4:8871 comp.unix.misc:15166 comp.os.linux.development:21543 comp.os.linux.misc:32081 comp.os.linux.misc:32082 comp.os.386bsd.development:2855 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4489 Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news!mbarkah From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah) Subject: Re: Interested in PowerPC for Linux / FreeBSD / NetBSD? Message-ID: <1994Dec20.004238.17846@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 00:42:38 GMT References: <3cilp3$143@news-2.csn.net> <D1260u.KIu@odin.diku.dk> <MICHAELV.94Dec19115633@MindBender.HeadCandy.com>,<3d4o1h$7bh@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3d4ucp$sbn@hearst.cac.psu.edu> Organization: Colorado School of Mines X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Followup-To: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.intel,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc Lines: 57 Kenneth J. Hoover (ken@psuedvax.ed.psu.edu) wrote: : In article <3d4o1h$7bh@galaxy.ucr.edu>, jjs@dostoevsky.ucr.edu (Joe Sloan) : writes: : >Windows NT is a joke! It is fine for simple folk who want to play : >solitaire, type their letters is MS Word, and run whatever the latest : >trendy MS applications happen to be, : ...or who want a lightning-fast file-and-print-server OS that's not : riddled with security holes for bored CS students to hack in their : spare time... This is a joke, right ? Any NT user can easily spawn a background process that capture passwords, etc. Ever looked the way keyclick messages are sent to applications ? Any damn process can intercept and/or read it, whether or not the message belongs to it. And let's not even mention `lightning fast.' Right next to me I have a DECpc 450st with 64mb RAM, and I've put DOS, UNIX (I've tested Microport svr4.0, and now FreeBSD), and NT AS on it. Tell me again which one is `lightning fast.' And you claim that NT is good for enterprise wide computing. I offer one question: multiuser ? Obviously NT is not the choice for an application server. We've been running NT and NT AS for sometime now for `business reasons' (our sister company likes to be a Microsoft Solutions Provider), and frankly we're not impressed. We can crash virtually any 16-bit program Microsoft claims to be 100% compatible, and just about any 32-bit programs we have are 1.0 level. Microsoft also thinks its funny by telling clients that you can just `recompile' the 16-bit apps to work with NT. The Win32 api is a mess. How about them hiword/loword macros ? How about the way functions return error codes ? Programmer's (me) nightmare. FYI, we participated with Microsoft since the early beta programmes, and I've been there from the start, so I have knowledge of what I'm talking about. NT is good for many things (say, in store client-side database which needs a GUI), but you're kidding yourself if you're going to run your company's big strategic server with it. Sure, Microsoft claims to run their `enterprise' services with NT on Compaq Proliant rackservers. But then they have NT engineers right there in the building. How many companies have access to NT internal wizards and source code 24 hours a day ? How many companies without those are willing to bet that NT is actually as reliable as Microsoft says ? Take care, -Ade Barkah -- Head of Development Renaissance Knowledge Systems Englewood, Colorado