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From: "Dameon D. Welch" <dwelch@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Interested in PowerPC for Linux / FreeBSD / NetBSD?
Date: 24 Dec 1994 11:35:02 GMT
Organization: Uplink Systems
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Message-ID: <3dh116$frs@hustle.rahul.net>
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In article <3d6o4n$k2q@hearst.cac.psu.edu>,
Kenneth J. Hoover <ken@psuedvax.ed.psu.edu> wrote:
|
|>3. We have a number of identical dual-boot pentiums with Windows NT 3.5
|> "advanced server" and Linux - the comparison is hard to avoid; under
|> linux I can rlogin, start a kernel recompile in the background, study
|> the system logs, then rlogin into another machine and do something
|> else, and come back to the kernel recompile when I get around to it.
|
| Excuse me? Have you ever heard of "multitasking"? You must, since you run
|unix. How about doing it the way all the windoze users in the world do --
|start a program, ICONIFY IT, and go about your work. Start another program.
|Telnet wherever you want, read your mail, defend an OS on usenet, and when
|you feel like it double-click on your icon to see if you're done compiling
|yet. That's not so hard, is it? and I don't even have to teach the user
|anything they didn't know under Windoze.
I think it's an issue of whether you like how Winblows multitasks or
how Unix multtasks. I think most of us Unix heads have decided we
prefer Unix multitasking over Windog or MacOS multitasking. In Unix
(generally), you can put a process in the background and expect a
reasonable amount of CPU time to be given to the background process.
In Winblows or MacOS, you can't expect this to be the case.
Case in point -- I was running UUCP under MacOS up until recently when
I finally got NetBSD up and running reasonably. Whenever I tried to do
anything while UUCP was transferring files, UUCP transfers would slow
down or stop.
Under NetBSD, I can do a UUCP session, compile in one window, and be
fixing my system in the other. And I've got an SE/30 here, mind you.
(old, slow by today's standards). If I tried to do this under MacOS
*something* would certainly slow down or grind to a halt. So yes, you
can multitask, but it all depends on how you like to do it.
|> 2. The Source code and docs are included [with Linux]
|
| If you have time to go over the sources for your OS to find out why it
|crashed while 400 people call you to tell you your server's down. And don't
|tell me that Linux docs are either complete or easy for a non-unix person to
|understand, because they aren't and they're not.
Remember that Unix was written by programmers and hackers *for*
programmers and hackers. Linux (and most/all free versions of Unix for
that matter) certainly fits that category. And there's nothing wrong
with that.
| It's important to understand that different OS's work for different people.
|I definitely picked the wrong place to disagree with someone's opinion that
|Linux is better than NT for everything. I said, I believe, in my original post
|that we use NT Server because WE DON'T GOT NO UN*X machines to serve, so
|nothing is gained (other than lots of hard work and frustration) by bringing
|one in.
That can certainly be a plus for some people.... ;-)
| So why do I read this group? (comp.os.linux.something) I like unix. I
|really do.
|
| I've run Linux. I liked it a lot and hope to run it again when I get
|a platform that can handle it. However, as a (gag) "enterprise" server, it
|doesn't cut it due to what a pain it would be to admin in a deployed form and
|the bugs that it contains.
With proper administration techniques, a Unix server can be just as
easy to run as something non-Unix. Sure, it can take a little longer
to set it up, but once you do, it's fairly comparable. But that's just
MHO.
--
< Dameon D. Welch (dwelch@rahul.net, dwelch@scudc.scu.edu, et al. ) >
"One cannot doubt the existance of God if you've seen a baby
delivered (or, for that matter, tried to explain how Apple
[Computer] continues to survive)." -- Guy Kawasaki