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Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!rrz.uni-koeln.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news From: se@fileserv1.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: AMD DX2/80 w/ NetBSD? Date: 27 Dec 1994 16:13:37 GMT Organization: Institute of Nuclear Physics, University of Cologne, Germany Lines: 50 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3dpefhINN3u8a@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> References: <3d71n3$2hp@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <MICHAELV.94Dec21161813@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fileserv1.mi.uni-koeln.de Keywords: PCI In article <MICHAELV.94Dec21161813@MindBender.HeadCandy.com>, michaelv@MindBender.HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon) writes: |> In article <3da3m5$6bb@news.cloud9.net> tls@cloud9.net (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes: |> |> If you find a 486 PCI motherboard that can clock the CPU at 40MHz, |> let me know. |> |> One problem is that the PCI spec specifically states that the |> supported speeds for the PCI bus are 25MHz to 33MHz. The PCI bus will |> not run at 40MHz. So, you would have to uncouple the CPU clock from |> the PCI bus clock. I don't see any real problem with doing this |> (after all, the PCI bus was designed to be uncoupled from the CPU), |> but in the interest of cost, it appears that nobody had designed a |> motherboard this way. As long as the motherboard designer keeps the |> bus and CPU clocks coupled, you won't be able to go over 33MHz with |> PCI. There was a review of PCI + VLB motherboards in c't magazine, issue 8'94, if I remember right. (Since not everybody has access to that particular computer magazine, written in german, to make things worse, it might be a good idea to post short summary of their results, as far as they might be useful for *BSD users ... Guess I'll do that next time, they print an interesting review ...) There was one board that had the PCI bus running asynchronously, resulting in PCI throughput nearly the same as good old ISA ... :( I.e. the synchronisation overhead seems to be anything but negligable (surprising, since most PCI accesses will take a number of 30ns cycles, and synchronisation should require at most one cycle). Seems that the only currently available 486 with PCI clock uncoupled from the CPU (running at 40MHz external clock) is no faster than a well designed standard PCI motherboard with a 33MHz (ext.) CPU. And then, I recently saw first offers of complete systems with AMD DX4/100 ... STefan -- Stefan Esser Internet: <se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE> Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706010 Universitaet zu Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 Weyertal 80 50931 Koeln