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Xref: sserve comp.os.386bsd.misc:5097 comp.os.linux.misc:34132 comp.os.os2.advocacy:76270 Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news From: Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Linux thoroughly insulted by Infoworld! Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:48:16 GMT Message-ID: <D32pCH.328@park.uvsc.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com References: <950116203411@lambada> <3g34fr$jri@nkosi.well.com> <3g3g14$1vd@galaxy.ucr.edu> <3g3pbt$13a@nkosi.well.com> <D30Kyy.695@bonkers.taronga.com> <3g9pfp$9al@nkosi.well.com> Sender: news@park.uvsc.edu (System Account) Lines: 60 henryh@well.sf.ca.us (Henry Hwong) wrote: ] Not all people can just curl up with a manual and understand it. If ] anything, classes give people a head start and give access to a person ] who happens to know about it. I have to take exception here. A lot of what I do as a programmer is demonstrate a learned skill; but I am not *only* a skilled worker. According to the department of Labor, who rates me as an exempt employee, what I (and you, if you are a software engineer) do is more than 50% creative. And I have to argue that not everyone can learn every skill, and not everyone can *be* creative. The ability to curl up with a manual an understand it is an intrinsic part of what makes me good at what I do, and, I think, an intrinsic part of what makes other people in this field good at what they do. The universe is not egalitarian. Welcome to the universe. Sorry to go off like this, but I find this offensive in the same way I that I find MIS managers turning to things like Visual BASIC and AppWare offensive, the same way I find EE's with no programming experience writing BIOS code for video and SCSI cards offensive. ] Now, I guess my experience in classes has been a little different. The ] classes we send our client people are taught by people who know what they ] are talking about. If you haven't been to those, I'm sorry to hear that. ] However, I don't think it's fair to condemn all training for your experience. I agree with this statement; however, there is a lot of truth to the adage that a computer consultant/trainer is anyone who is out of work when you find you need a consultant/trainer. ] And who says you need Stevens or Allman to teach classes? Do you need ] Shakesphere to teach you about English literature? Do you need Oppenheimer ] to teach nuclear physics? Do you need Plato, Socrates, or Aristotle to teach philsophy? Actually, those three were renouned teachers, and what they taught has survived to today largely because of their ability to teach. You don't *need* these people to teach you directly, of course, but if you can get them, the experience is *vastly* superior to getting the information second-hand. People qualified in these fields will be using the teachings of these people in their classes if they are any good themselves. Just as in the game "gossip", an idea that passes through many hands after leaving its source can be twisted in the teaching. As long as Stevens, Allman, et al. are available, they should be utilized in favor of anyone else who happens to be expounding their ideas. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.