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Xref: sserve comp.os.linux.development:22918 comp.os.386bsd.development:3090 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!serval.net.wsu.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!oracle.pnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!giant!a09878 From: a09878@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (Curt Sampson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.386bsd.development Subject: Re: SAMBA and NETWARE mounting Date: 25 Jan 95 20:05:15 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <a09878.791064315@giant> References: <3eo2j1$l5o@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <D267uw.Grq@park.uvsc.edu> <D2JnoD.1DD@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2KG6E.CMp@park.uvsc.edu> <D2LH48.3IF@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2qACr.A46@park.uvsc.edu> <D2s16r.428@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2vrE0.D8M@park.uvsc.edu> <D2x440.1J1@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2y5tv.JAC@indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: giant.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) wes@indirect.com (Barnacle Wes) writes: >Why not? You're holding up NetWare files services as being superior to >NFS? >... >NetWare Users: Oh, no, we don't actually use the network, except to store >stuff on. We do *everything* on a local disk, and then copy it over there >because it's way to slow to *use*. I wasn't going to get involved in this, but this is a bit much. I'm not at all a fan of NetWare and IPX myself, but we use it extensively here, and we run complete Windows configurations entirely off the network. (The machine boots DOS, loads up the network drivers, and that's the last time it touches the hard drive, except for temporary files (and swap, if it needs to swap). Our speed problems are due mostly to having ninety users per segment, fifty of them slinging about multi-megabyte CAD files. (One day we'll get a bigger Ethernet switcher....) NetWare has the one great advantage that it's *very* fast. At slinging files about. I'd like to see anybody run 150 CAD users on a 64 MB 486/33 using NFS. The disadvantage, of course, is that it doesn't do anything *but* sling files about. System maintenance is a nightmare compared to Unix. (Ever tried to get a script of any significant complexity even written, much less running reliably and doing proper error checking, on an MS-DOS machine?) And IPX really bags it over slow (say, 56K) links. We run IP at a priority way below IPX on our WAN routers and IP stuff is still a lot faster. Some of this may be fixed in the new IPX internetworking stuff from Novell (along with stupidities like the SAP problem), but other parts of it are due to bad design in NCP (which is designed to talk to a server the same way a DOS program talks to DOS--leaving you with silly things like order(n) packets required to get a directory listing of a directory with n files in it). However, if I'm not internetworking, there are situations where I'd use NetWare over anything else. cjs -- Curt Sampson a09878@giant.rsoft.bc.ca Opinions are mine, Fluor Daniel Wright, Ltd. 604 488 2226 not Fluor Daniel's. 1075 W. Georgia Street Vancouver, B.C., V6E 4M7 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil.