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Xref: sserve comp.os.linux.development:22947 comp.os.386bsd.development:3099 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!giant!a09878 From: a09878@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (Curt Sampson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.386bsd.development Subject: Re: SAMBA and NETWARE mounting Date: 28 Jan 95 05:36:45 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <a09878.791271405@giant> References: <3eo2j1$l5o@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <D267uw.Grq@park.uvsc.edu> <D2JnoD.1DD@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2KG6E.CMp@park.uvsc.edu> <D2LH48.3IF@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2qACr.A46@park.uvsc.edu> <D2s16r.428@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2vrE0.D8M@park.uvsc.edu> <D2x440.1J1@pe1chl.ampr.org> <D2y5tv.JAC@indirect.com> <a09878.791064315@giant> <D33JLI.Ct0@indirect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: giant.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) wes@indirect.com (Barnacle Wes) writes: >Curt Sampson (a09878@giant.rsoft.bc.ca) wrote: >: NetWare has the one great advantage that it's *very* fast at slinging >: files about. I'd like to see anybody run 150 CAD users on a 64 MB 486/33 >: using NFS. >We had 15 - 18 programmers on UNIX and VMS workstations... I'll admit that each of your 18 programmers probably generated a higher load on your servers than our average CAD user. But more than *five* times the load? I doubt it. It's not unusual for drawings around here to be a megabyte or more, and the maximum time an operator goes without transfering the entire file across the network (to load or save) is twenty minutes. >...our two big "servers" comprised a DECstation 5000/200 and >a SPARCstation 10/512... Are you trying to say that these two servers put together are about equivalant to an 33 MHz EISA 486 with 64 MB of RAM? In that case, would you care to make a hardware swap with me? I'll even throw in a couple hundred dollars to make it really worth your while. >The combination of NFS and automounter in that situation was one of >the most elegant programming environments I've ever seen. I won't argue with that. It's certainly more elegant that DOS machines and NetWare servers. >Of course, all we were doing was using GCC (from an NFS mount) to >compile and link 4 - 6 Meg Motif and Galaxy applications (with the >libraries on NFS as well); nothing challenging like loading a CAD >drawing. ;^) Yes, I too have found it quite a lot more challenging to run a program from an NFS-mounted drive than to run a program from a NetWare-mapped drive. (:-/ for the sarcasm-impared.) If you want a challenge, go get MS-Windows running on a network, holding all the user configuration files on the network, adapting to the hardware on the machine it's currently running on, and auto-installing any programs the user runs. How you can consider setting up a system designed from the beginning to network well more "challenging" than attempting to kludge and patch a system that resists and breaks networks at every turn is beyond me. >And a 486dx2/66 NetWare file server *with* >a fast ethernet card, fast SCSI disks, and lots of RAM is still >not as fast at serving files as our old, trusty DECstation 5000/200... Are you comparing this with individual workstation measurements or when the server is loaded down by fifty workstations or more. No individual DOS workstation ever does well under NetWare; their drivers and NCP protocol stupidites limit I/O speed to about 500 K/sec under the very best of conditions. (The same hardware running, say, NetBSD will do much, much better.) cjs -- Curt Sampson a09878@giant.rsoft.bc.ca Opinions are mine, Fluor Daniel Wright, Ltd. 604 488 2226 not Fluor Daniel's. 1075 W. Georgia Street Vancouver, B.C., V6E 4M7 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil.