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Xref: sserve comp.sys.powerpc:33495 comp.sys.intel:30930 comp.unix.bsd:16035 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:8082 comp.unix.sys5.r4:9151 comp.unix.misc:15853 comp.os.linux.development:23147 comp.os.linux.misc:34552 comp.os.386bsd.development:3119 comp.os.386bsd.misc:5198 comp.os.misc:3751 Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.misc Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!constellation!news.ysu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!park.uvsc.edu!news From: Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: X on dial-in Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:11:56 GMT Message-ID: <D3Fp3y.1EI@park.uvsc.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com References: <3f44s2$jqm@maverick.maverick.tad.eds.com> <D36ry6.4H3@kerberos.demon.co.uk> <D3A5Iu.pD@park.uvsc.edu> <fgoldstein.131.001DC8B4@bbn.com> <D3C4Bp.I46@park.uvsc.edu> <fgoldstein.135.00237A26@bbn.com> Sender: news@park.uvsc.edu (System Account) Lines: 37 fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) wrote: ] No, it's $0.00 per month, because residential users can make "speech" calls ] for free in most states. California is an exception; ISDN speech pays during ] the day. New York City is an exception; nobody ever can make free calls nohow. ] And if you need 60*24*30 minutes, then you should have a leased line! If you were twinkie enough to try this for long, and I were the phone company, you'd either be required to get a business line for your modem (don't tell me this doesn't happen!), or I'd simply declare ISDN data destinations to be "in state long distance" by requiring inter-LADA routing for data. Or on speech calls, start twiddling bits that won't affect the conversation quality but will dump a data conncetion made over a speech line. This would be a cool way to do you in, since it wouldn't affect standard analog modems. And the only thing you'll have succeeded in doing is once again making video phones uneconomical before they can become common, on the basis of a very short term gain. This is on the order of buying Traveler's checks from AAA (who doesn't charge members for buying them) because you get frequent flyer miles for doing so, cashing them in, and getting more traveler's checks, etc., until you can fly somewhere. Eventually you'll screw it up for everyone. You are out of your mind if you think you will be paying subsidized speech rates for data for the rest of time. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.