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Xref: sserve comp.sys.powerpc:33904 comp.sys.intel:31346 comp.unix.bsd:16089 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:8131 comp.unix.sys5.r4:9207 comp.unix.misc:15959 comp.os.linux.development:23304 comp.os.linux.misc:34968 comp.os.386bsd.development:3155 comp.os.386bsd.misc:5288 comp.os.misc:3781 Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!park.uvsc.edu!usenet From: Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: X on dial-in Date: 9 Feb 1995 16:45:24 GMT Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3hdgr4$qfn@park.uvsc.edu> References: <3f44s2$jqm@maverick.maverick.tad.eds.com> <3h5scs$a2t@park.uvsc.edu> <3haerh$e2r@newhub.xylogics.com> <3hb0tp$er9@park.uvsc.edu> <D3puu7.2rC@bonkers.taronga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) wrote: ] What makes you think they can charge more money based on the kind of data? ] ] They tried VERY hard to get modems charged at business rates in Texas, ] and got pretty heavily shot down. Hobby data connections are quickly getting ] the same backing as voice withthe PUC and the like. Modem usage is different from ISDN (or Frame Relay or other digital data carrier service). It's different because modem usage is cost prohibitive to meter. What if they said "OK, we won't charge message units for the intra-LATA connections, but we will still charge them for inter-LATA connections". Now you don't pay directly, but your service provider does. Does the fact that they are charging you message units behind one level of billing statements somehow make it desirable? Is it the fact that the message unit bill isn't labeled as such and isn't sent by the phone company sufficient? Now consider. Your PUC does not regulate long distance companies. IMMINENT DEATH OF LONG DISTANCE COMPANIES PREDICTED Consider also that long distance companies are dinosaurs, in that the *only* way they are going to prevent you from VODBS (*not* DOVBS) and making your own long distance connections using a data network is by not providing the service, or making it unacceptably cruddy when used that way (say by maintaining a constant average speed but a variable instantaneous speed that would result in a high propagation delay for communications not in sliding windows, like NCP, SMB, or voice data). Once you and the recipient of your voice call have sufficiently large pipes, how are they going to dictate backbone usage? The only realistic way is by charging backbone connect fees based on message units... or they truly are public utilities. Does the fact that they are charging you message units behind *two* levels of billing statements now make it desirable? Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.