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From: Terry Lambert <terry@cs.weber.edu>
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Subject: Re: X on dial-in
Date: 23 Jun 1995 04:45:54 GMT
Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah
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Message-ID: <3sdgu2$5ii@park.uvsc.edu>
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This thread is (perhaps) the longest running single thread I have
ever seen in my life.
I remember contributing to it when it had just started (when it was
a tiny thread, not the "old man of the net" you see today 8^)). It
is without a doubt at least 8 months old.
Here I go again.
[ ... Frame Relay vs. ISDN ... ]
kanefsky@datamagic.com (Steve Kanefsky) wrote:
] Aren't we comparing apple's and oranges here? It sounds like some people
] are just quoting rates for the ISDN line from the phone company, or
] perhaps for an ISDN line plus a limited account with an ISP, whereas the
] poster who quoted the $595 price was clearly talking about a 24 hour/day
] dedicated ISDN line to the Internet (most likely with routing for an
] entire network). Just the ISP charge for a dedicated 28.8k modem line
] is typically $150/month. Frame relay, which is probably the most
] cost efficient way to get 128k bandwidth, typically costs $275-425/month
] just for the ISP charges, not counting what the telephone company charges
] you for the line at all.
Both your ISP and your phone company are bending you over.
Your Phone company is bending you over because they want to push
ISDN. In reality, ISDN takes up more circuit switching hardware
than FR, since a constant ISDN connection must maintain a virtual
circuit the whole time. I have no idea why phone companies are
pushing ISDN so hard, unless it's the fact that they can put a
per minute tarrif on a switched circuit.
Your ISP is bending you over because they can simply get one pipe
to the FR cloud. With ISDN, there must be a connection to the phone
company for each connected customer. With FR, they can have a
big pipe to the cloud with each customer having a fractional pipe
to the same cloud.
Maybe the phone company is pushing ISDN because they get 2 * N
billable connections as opposed to N + 1 billable connections?
I have no idea why your ISP is bending you over. Perhaps he
doesn't have the volume to amortize the pipe cost because all
the other people had ISDN pushed on them. Or he just likes
bending you over. Or he's an idiot and hasn't run the numbers.
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.