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Path: sserve!manuel!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!olivea!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!nuchat!taronga!peter From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Subject: Re: AT&T Long Distance Boycott (was: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit) Message-ID: <NQ3JI7G@taronga.com> Date: 9 Sep 92 01:46:24 GMT References: <1992Sep07.101851.2123@kithrup.COM> <QA2J6LM@taronga.com> <1992Sep08.085437.419@kithrup.COM> Organization: Taronga Park BBS Lines: 44 In article <1992Sep08.085437.419@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes: >In article <QA2J6LM@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >>Sorry, if you have to provide your own termcap you're back where you started: [silly "if you have to provide..." lines deleted] >The termcap library is *SMALL*. And it's (more importantly) standard. If it had to be provided by every application it wouldn't be. >It's better if it's on every system, but >it's small enough that it can be provided as part of your application and >not be terribly visible. Emacs does that, or did at one point (although >emacs is not something I like using as an example). Proof. Emacs uses its own terminal independence database. So does every editor on CP/M, where Termcap isn't a standard. So you have to configure every application independently. "Oh", you say "termcap is so standard now nobody would ever do that". Not so. AT&T did. THAT is the point of having, and providing, a standard set of interfaces. POSIX wimped out on too much of the API, and what remains isn't enough. >1. Pnews and Rnmail work quite well with 1003.2 utilities. Mail isn't part of 1003.2. >3. As for mail, tell you what, Peter: why don't you come up with a mail >system (reader, sender, interface, system-to-system interface, file format, >filesystem layout, etc.) that can work on all systems, and then I'll add the >code to t?rn to support that. I don't need to. It already exists. The name varies slightly (rmail/smail/ sendmail) but the *interface* is pretty much standard. I don't know why you're taking this position, that basic things like termcap and mail are optional. They're not. -- `-_-' Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX +1 713 568 0480/1032