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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!usenet From: peterb@blindman.lm.com (Peter Berger) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD Date: 30 Aug 1995 19:58:06 -0400 Organization: The House Lines: 86 Sender: peterb@blindman.lm.com Message-ID: <x77n3v6j1t.fsf@blindman.lm.com> References: <409iah$inf@galaxy.ucr.edu> <40alp5$psg@agate.berkeley.edu> <413bkc$3t2@kadath.zeitgeist.net> <1995Aug24.222509.28085@state.systems.sa.gov.au> <41ko58$rqh@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> <41l9eo$17h@park.uvsc.edu> <41nfbu$sg@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <DDxG0B.95K@ritz.mordor.com> <41t8ei$bsv@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <DE2167.5yF@ritz.mordor.com> <41vkbl$bkq@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: blindman.lm.com In-reply-to: tim@maths.tcd.ie's message of 29 Aug 1995 18:56:05 +0100 X-Face: >~|/XtK\n?zuw}g&-,O0hyx0f9X1Ah`R<dK=Ii1iATg2ua8L9uP<yEWy/QN^B2>iMZL0Pa* X/"A@zMzsEkbr1)KfB2.Mj8VPzuV0,hVm7$,zbsp9>7cyiBR#Kicz.h4Q*:PLRgze[-bA=d9i35y:: .? X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.99.27 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <41vkbl$bkq@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes: >Since the Linux system is free, >it seems to me pretty obvious that >the documentation that comes with it is also free. > >I looked for, but did not find, corresponding documentation >at the FreeBSD archive site. > >I think FreeBSD documentation could be improved. >If you think it is fine that is your privilege. >I've really nothing more to say on the subject. I think your attitude could be improved. I've run both Linux and FreeBSD. The FreeBSD documentation, as has been said at LEAST 5 times now, is in /usr/share/doc. In other words: to get the Linux documentation, you need a net connection. Net connections, for most of us, are NOT free; and in any event there is a cost in time. With FreeBSD, said documentation is included. And, since FreeBSD is a standard BSD system, anyone who has used -any- BSD system, including SunOS, IBM's AOS, DEC's Ultrix, will understand how to do things and where the documentation is. Linux, with it's thoroughly weird file hierarchy and non-standard way of building kernels(*), and multitudinous disparate "distributions," -needs- this documentation more than *BSD, in the same way that you can drive a normal car out of the dealership, but you would need to read the operator's manual if I sold you a car with five pedals, the steering wheel as two buttons (clearly marked "left" and "right") in the glove compartment, and the gearshift in the trunk. (When you got into an accident, of course, I'd tell you "Hey! Why are you complaining? It was -free-!") Lastly, many of the Linux Documentation Project's manuals are inadequate, contain erroneous information, or confuse the reader to a point that they are worse off than when they started; the best example of this I can think of offhand is the "Printing" FAQ. Setting up my postscript printer with FreeBSD took an "apropos printer", a "man printcap" and 5 minutes. The Linux documentation project manuals often recommend outdated or inferior ways of doing things; the News FAQ, for example, concentrates on UUCP, but for NNTP connections recommends that people run C News. My respect for Henry Spencer is infinite, but that is a bad suggestion. The point is, I'm very happy that you have nice touchy-feely manuals that you can print out and bind and do whatever with that purport to hold your hand and explain things to you in a way that might be thoroughly right or thoroughly wrong. However, the problem here is not that FreeBSD doesn't have great documentation (it does!), or that the documentation is hard to find (it isn't!). The problem, my friend, is that you are going out of your way to -ignore- the documentation that a) comes with the system, and b) the nice people(**) here have been telling you about for, if memory serves, the past 5 months or so. Why don't you try -reading- the answers people are giving to you instead of ignoring them and complaining that we haven't delivered a copy of the docs to your house yet? (*): I'm being good and not mentioning anything about their way of - -writing- kernels. (**) No, I'm not one of these nice people. I don't like you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.3, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMET7CxY1vlCaZ9uNAQE5pgP/e89ajpPSOQQys48OHHy5m/HSbLH+UqpH CVfB1zmENUqoYbY6Us6eeWbNzN91CiC7HJAXH3kOXOk1q/TQ62BWTGZe+pHqfuo5 SyfRPNJtH2bN60O8P2L7zWJZ9OhRS68EO9zXq7uBG/vd/1XVPc/ym6POWwOp8Aat NWq6gw1AfNY= =Q/fR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Pete Berger - Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh. peterb@blindman.lm.com (for now) "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer