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Xref: sserve gnu.misc.discuss:6217 comp.org.eff.talk:9041 comp.unix.bsd:5029 comp.os.mach:2139 misc.int-property:520 Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,misc.int-property,alt.suit.att-bsdi Path: sserve!manuel!munnari.oz.au!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!world!bzs From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein) Subject: Re: Are you sure UNIX is a trade mark? In-Reply-To: farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 12 Sep 92 23:49:21 GMT Message-ID: <BZS.92Sep13195404@ussr.std.com> Sender: usenet@world.std.com (Mr USENET himself) Nntp-Posting-Host: ussr.std.com Organization: The World References: <KANDALL.92Sep9170758@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> <farrow.716074432@fido.Colorado.EDU> <18ns8rINNd81@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Sep11.084516.16908@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <BZS.92Sep11185233@ussr.std.com> <farrow.716341761@fido.Colorado.EDU> Distribution: inet Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:54:04 GMT Lines: 43 Point taken, but I think if this were anything other than a computer operating system, eg, a laundry detergent or food franchise or some other commonly understood product, then the variation and wide lack of control of what is licensed as being called ``Unix'' would be a big, big issue, and I doubt USL would prevail in such a situation. The major similarity, at this point in time, between the various things called Unix is mostly grounded in their dissimilarity to other things not called Unix. Certainly there's little doubt that SVR4 resembles Ultrix more than it resembles DOS. But only in the same sense that McDonald's hamburgers resemble Burger King's hamburgers more than they resemble Kentucky Fried Chicken's chicken. Such a similarity would not hold, to continue the analogy, a trademark on all fast-food hamburgers. Perhaps it is exactly out of this concern that AT&T is playing such hardball to get vendors to converge on SVR4 (e.g. Solaris 2.0). Whatever the motivation, it seems to have little or nothing to do with producing a useful product of marketable quality. At least not thus far. It smacks more of an attempt to create a monopoly, which coming from AT&T is not utterly shocking as a behavior. I suppose then the question is whether the rest of us will stand for it. The important thing to keep in mind is that AT&T/USL can accomplish no such thing without the intervention by force (even if implied) of the government which operates in our name. This is why they are in the courts. Only a govt can grant a monopoly or exclusive marketing rights (through patents, trademarks and copyrights.) And, hence, in a democracy (even if representative) it is ultimately our desire being expressed. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@world.std.com | uunet!world!bzs Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD