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#! rnews 3289 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!classic.iinet.com.au!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!EU.net!dkuug!Norway.EU.net!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!nac.no!ifi.uio.no!nntp!enag From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.c-cat,comp.object,comp.lang.eiffel,alt.syntax.tactical,comp.lang.misc,comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc Subject: Re: Beginner to C/C++ looking for some good books Date: 13 Sep 1995 15:48:08 GMT Organization: Naggum Software; +47 2295 0313 Lines: 48 Message-ID: <19950913T154808Z@naggum.no> References: <brockmanDE5u28.5Lr@netcom.com> <19950831T090632Z@naggum.no> <427eaj$1ri@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> <brockmanDEs15M.70M@netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gyda.ifi.uio.no Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au misc.jobs.offered:209313 comp.lang.c:112694 comp.lang.c++:123709 comp.object:31647 comp.lang.eiffel:9206 alt.syntax.tactical:994 comp.lang.misc:17299 comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc:172 [Daniel Brockman] | In article <427eaj$1ri@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> loren@beauty.ucsb.edu (Loren Koss) writes: | >In <19950831T090632Z@naggum.no> Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes: | > | | Apparently you are one of the oops zealots who believes their own hype. it is not obvious whether you're implicating Loren Koss or me, but I'd just like to say that if you're referring to me, you're the first person, ever, to accuse me of believing in hype, _or_ to be an oops zealot. maybe you should get working on that attribution line of yours? | An ANSI standard for C++ exists. AT&T sold a compliant compiler to | Sun Microsystems. really? it exists? I'll say. how come I'm reviewing the Committee Draft for the Norwegian vote to ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22, with a deadline 1995-09-28? it isn't even a Draft International Standard at this point. a mere Working Paper for a Draft Proposed standard (ANSI terminology) is _not_ a standard. I don't care what AT&T sold to SMI. however, SMI _might_ care that there does, in fact, not exist an ANSI standard for C++. [Loren Koss] | BASICALLY, C++ is language of choice. If you get confused programming | in it, drop down to C. A comment made earlier that the two languages | are totally different and that if you learn C, you should forget | everything you learned to learn C++, I totally disagree with. I don't | know how long you have been programming, but I have been using both | languages for about 10 years now and feel this comment comes out of | left field with no support. I think I made that comment. I've been programming for 15 years. I have programmed in almost as many languages (sorry, I'm rather narrow :), and _that's_ why I say that C++ is a different language entirely from C. the two have only some of the syntactic sugar common between them, so they may "taste the same" to those who only lick the surface of their tools, which it indeed seems that you [Loren Koss] are doing. if you've been using C++ for 10 years, I think you have disqualified yourself from commenting on it. not the least because C++ is barely 10 years old. further, 1985 C++ may be a lot like C, but 1995 C++ most definitely is not. #<Erik 3019996088> -- cat ownee