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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!felix.junction.net!okjunc.junction.net!michael From: michael@okjunc.junction.net (Michael Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: a monthly FreeBSD magazine (and other *BSD's too) Date: 18 Dec 1995 06:09:16 GMT Organization: Okanagan Internet Junction, Vernon B.C., Canada Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4b30ic$bbv@felix.junction.net> References: <4ajc07$sb7@unix2.glink.net.hk> <4am5uq$r24@agate.berkeley.edu> <4arhgi$f0c@felix.junction.net> <4as2e7$91r@cnn.Princeton.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: okjunc.junction.net Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.admin:36239 alt.os.linux:6578 alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions:5209 comp.os.linux.advocacy:30981 comp.os.linux.misc:76614 comp.os.linux.setup:33115 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:10870 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:1624 In article <4as2e7$91r@cnn.Princeton.EDU>, Tim Hollebeek <tim@franck.Princeton.EDU> wrote: >In article <4arhgi$f0c@felix.junction.net>, >Michael Dillon <michael@okjunc.junction.net> wrote: >>Not true. >>There are no books on FreeBSD which tell people that IP >>firewalling exists and how to use it, therefore it does NOT exist. > >An interesting definition of the term exist ... there are also no >books on Java, for example. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Touche! But you must admit that there IS a considerable quantity of published material about JAVA and that JAVA is somewhat less complex than a full-blown UNIX OS. >>>FreeBSD also supports kernel packet filtering and accounting. We've >>>implemented several firewalls with it, including the one here. Type >>>`man ipfw' on any post-2.0 FreeBSD machine. >> >>Irrelevant. man pages are for gurus, not people who are trying to decide >>which OS will serve their needs. > >Anyone who can't read and digest man pages certainly shouldn't be >setting up a UNIX box. Seriously, they aren't _that_ cryptic. You would be surprised at what a new user can do with UNIX even if they've never seen it before. Most humans are intelligent enough to grasp the details, if they have the desire and IF there is reasonably accessible and accurate documentation available. >If you're arguing that Linux is better marketted, you are right. But >don't confuse marketting hype with reality. Unfortunately, for many people, marketing hype IS reality. In order to get people past the marketing hype of others, you need some degree of your own marketing hype. -- Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com