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Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!caen!pm037-28.dialip.mich.net!fprefect From: Matt Slot <fprefect@umich.edu> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Apple and Linux/NetBSD Ports Date: 16 Dec 1995 15:31:18 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 61 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4auoo6$gov@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: @pm037-28.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.4_PPC X-XXMessage-ID: <ACF851041D010765@pm037-28.dialip.mich.net> X-XXDate: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:33:40 GMT Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.os.linux.advocacy:31294 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:1655 [ Forwarded from my original post to the "Semper Fi" mailing list at <mailto:semper.fi@solutions.apple.com> ] First, I have been in contact with Guy and others at Apple who have expressed an interest in the project. They are currently looking for resources within Apple that could be assigned to the project... but with the big push for Copland (and trimming of other projects), its pretty tight. But... they ARE listening. Second, I want to build up a document that describes how helping Linux helps Apple. Specifically, I am looking for information of the form "If the Macintosh supported Linux...": * 10,000 more people would by a Mac * Average active lifetime of a Mac would double (the SE/30 as a server in the corner) * 3% more Macs would be used as Internet Servers * Apple would make an additional $1,000,000 Technical merit is great for convincing other engineers/programmers, but the 'droids in the bureaucracy need facts and figures to motivate them. No manager is gonna read a plea "if you guys supported Linux, me and my 2 buddies would consider buying a Mac" and immediately assign thousands of dollars and/or a few hundred man-hours to it. Next, it would be great if some Apple engineers would volunteer to gather this information in their (copious) spare time. Say a couple of resourceful people put together a packet of information, then present it (and with the "benefits" document above) -- that would stand a much better chance than any efforts solely from the outside. I don't know any such Apple employees, but I am always hoping! Finally, I think that this conversation should be kept in the appropriate advocacy newsgroups, where it can break into the necessary pleading and arguing that help people feel better. Of course, if you have any hard facts and figures, or you have ideas on alternate paths to proceed ... MAIL ME. I am just an engineer trying to be the glue between the Linux/MacBSD people and Apple. Don't flood Apple or its net-visible employees with your complaints or pleas, It's easy to convince them that Linux-supporters are just whining about Apple and the Mac, rather than focusing on making it work. If you feel you have to vent, post it to the advocacy group (I lurk there), mail me directly, or take a brisk walk -- don't generate bad feelings all around. Matt ps: I would love to present Apple with a list of 500+ people who have promised to buy a Mac if it runs Linux. Maybe I should start one. pps: The OpenMac page is at <http://puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us/openmac/> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ====================== * Reality: Matt Slot * Time is an illusion. * E-Mail: mailto:fprefect@umich.edu * Lunchtime doubly so. * Web: http://www.sils.umich.edu/~fprefect/ * -- Douglas Adams * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ======================