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From: tzs@coho.halcyon.com (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
Subject: Re: a monthly FreeBSD magazine (and other *BSD's too)
Date: 2 Jan 1996 01:58:54 GMT
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David E. O'Brien <obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Tim Smith (tzs@coho.halcyon.com) wrote:
>: David E. O'Brien <obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>: >Once again we have ignorance about FreeBSD.  The reason for slower driver
>: >development isn't because of the structured development nature of FBSD.
>: >RATHER it is because FBSD has a smaller user base, and thus a smaller
>: >number of people that have weird hardware and gets a hair up their ass to
>: >write a driver for it.  There is NOTHING stopping Joe User from writing a
>: 
>: Your theory can be seen to be bull by simply noticing that FreeBSD
>: driver development slowness is not limited to weird hardware.
>
>Again in English.  Please expound on this so I have some idea to what you
>are refering to.

I'm refering to your odd theory that FreeBSD driver development is slow
because there are less people with weird hardware using FreeBSD.  This is
an odd theory in two respects:

1. As someone else has pointed out, there is plenty of weird hardware that
FreeBSD does get drivers for, sometimes even before Linux does, so it is
not even clear that the theory that FreeBSD driver development is slow is
correct.  For the rest of this post, we'll assume that it is slow.

2. There is hardware that is *not* weird at all the FreeBSD is behind in
support for.  IDE CD-ROM, for example.  Even Warp and NT, the usual champions
for being late to support hardware, have no trouble with my Toshiba IDE
CD-ROM, for example, but FreeBSD 2.1 won't see it during install.   I haven't
peeked into the box yet to see if I've got master/slave set to the way
FreeBSD wants it to be, but their are two possibilities:

(a). I've got it set wrong.  If so, this is a deficiency in FreeBSD CD-ROM
support, because NT, Warp, DOS, Linux, and Windows 95 all have no trouble
with it set the way it is.

(b). I've got it set right.  If so, something's wrong with FreeBSD.

Now, these bugs are not surprising, because the IDE CD-ROM support is
labeled as alpha, so I'm not complaining.

--Tim Smith