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From: tih@Hamartun.Priv.NO (Tom I Helbekkmo)
Subject: Re: a monthly FreeBSD magazine (and other *BSD's too)
Keywords: YAASA, STFU
Organization: T&T
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orc@pell.chi.il.us (David Parsons) writes:

>    You're doing FreeBSD a great disservice by pretending that it
> doesn't differ one whit from vanilla 4.4.  You look at a book on
> system administration (which people do use for administering other
> systems, like, say, Linux) and try to pretend that that's all
> someone needs, while ignoring the features that differentiate
> FreeBSD from NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI, BSD386, or berkeley 4.1.

Why don't you take the time to _read_ what you're responding to,
before you start ranting?  I said was that it's wrong to claim,
categorically, that no books on these systems exist, because lots of
books dealing with BSD in general _do_ exist, including ones that are
updated for 4.4BSD.  I most certainly did _not_ claim that the "Unix
System Administration Handbook" (or any other book) is a complete and
accurate description of every single tiny facet of the internals of
FreeBSD (or any other BSD), nor did I claim that the various
implementations are bit by bit exactly equal to 4.4BSD.  I further
said nothing about "all someone needs", explicitly or implied.

I _did_ say that I consider it to be a common strength of the various
4.4BSD variants that they're all BSD, which means that they are quite
similar from an administrative as well as a user point of view.

>    *Do* enjoy trying to kill off your operating system of choice.
> I can see one reason why the books on installing and running FreeBSD
> aren't popping off the bookshelves -- with k-RAD d00dz like yourself
> proudly proclaiming that they won't read them, why waste the time
> writing the goddamn book?

Again, why not try reading what you're responding to?  I clearly
stated that I run NetBSD on i386es and VAXen, 2.11BSD on PDP-11s.
I did _not_, proudly or otherwise, proclaim that I wouldn't read any
specific book, nor any one of a general set of relevant books.

As for that "k-RAD d00dz" stuff, I can't really respond to it.  I'm
afraid I'm a generation or so too old to understand it.  Maybe you
could explain to me what it means among you youngsters?

-tih
-- 
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
tih@Hamartun.Priv.NO