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From: gavin@durban.vector.co.za (Gavin Maltby)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison)
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Date: 10 Jan 1996 05:45:24 GMT
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Terry Lambert (terry@lambert.org) wrote:
: Personally, I intentionally associate because I don't think
: that SunOS 5.x is worthy of the name SunOS.
Nonsense!
: It is generally inferior in almost all respects (save MP).
Further crud. I could fill a few pages of benefits over SunOS 4.
: I could argue thread scheduling, NFS, and VM with you until
: I am blue in the face. 8-).
It is easily agreed that SunOS 5 is the hands-down winner over SunOS 4
in the departments you mention. Do you think otherwise? SunOS 4 has
no real multithreading to speak of, it's NFS is a *lot* slower and
is not multithreaded, and it's VM alogorithms are practically a subset
of SunOS 5 (which just continues to refine those algorithms).
: Almost everyone (except SunSoft) pretty much feels the same way,
: it seems.
Perhaps everyone *you* speak to, and that sounds like a decidely
inexperienced and unknowledgable crowd.
: Sun had to back-port 4.1.3 to the new hardware because some
: of the Japanese OEM's (Hitachi, Tatung, from memory) threatened
: to do their own BSD port because they hated Solaris so much.
Featurewise, Solaris has many times more to offer an application.
No developer looks at Solaris 2 and say "I am glad none of those
features are in SunOS 4". OK so having to use the SVID etc in
development might not be what everyone would love, but I suspect
that a lot of people like the BSD enviroment just because that is
what they *know* and they refuse to adapt and learn the intracies
of the new interface.
: Sun tries to hide the fact that there's a difference using
: labelling, but we all know the difference between BSD and SVR4,
: and we prefer BSD.
Solaris = SVR4 + a lot of features! What you are really bitter about
is that BSD style UNIX did not win out or reach critical mass over
SVR4. That's something you just have to deal with---it happened and
isn't about to unravel. I am sure that there are those at SunSoft
who preferred the BSD way, but there was just no way to stay with it.
Sun would be a small niche-market workstation player if they had not
overhauled SunOS 4 to SunOS 5/Solaris 2. If you want a multi-billion
dollar company to slowly strangle itself while pandering just to your
needs, start it yourself!
Just my 2 cents
Gavin
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