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From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison)
Date: 18 Jan 1996 02:05:16 GMT
Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah
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Obvious advocacy tangent tangent alert.
This whole thread started from an ISP platform question, and
was probably just someone trolling, anyway.
Dan Stromberg <strombrg@hydra.acs.uci.edu> wrote:
] > Michael Hancock <michaelh@cet.co.jp> wrote:
] > ] I guess there is no end to the bickering amoung the various Unix camps.
] > ] Aren't the Unix wars supposed to be over?
] >
] > They were until Sun bought out their license for SVR4 sources
] > so that their code could diverge again.
]
] Divergent? GET A CLUE, FOOL!
OK. I give up. What do *you* call it when there was one
source base from which code was derived, but now development
is being done by multiple groups?
] The entire industry is System V! It just can't get much
] plainer than that, can it?
The entire industry is Microsoft. UNIX is a bit player.
] > Uh, the Usenix VFS papers were all based on SunOS.
] >
] > As was Heidemann's Ficus work at UCLA.
] >
] > As was Rosenthal's work.
]
] So sun had top products, then, as now.
"As now" does not necessarily follow. It is your opinion.
] But SunOS 4.1.x didn't keep up - or rather, it's parent
] OS, BSD, didn't. SysV did, so the obvious answer....
You are arguing that UCB's "failure" resulted in Sun's
adoption of SVR4?
] Are you starting to catch on? The industry was moving
] rapidly away from BSD. Sun was the last major player
] with a BSD-based OS.
I suppose Digital UNIX (based on OSF/1 and BSD) doesn't count?
] All the BSD-zealots had crowded onto sun, to stick with BSD. But sun
] realized they couldn't but so ludicrously different from the rest of the
] industry...
]
] And then Sun caught absolute living hell, in terms of BS mocked-up
] attacks, for being the last vendor to make the switch.
]
] If you're so in love with Friggin BSD, why don't you go after the
] vendors that -started- the trend away from BSD?
I'm not "going after" Sun. I am responding to points that
were raised with an implied assumption by their posters that
I was "going after" Sun.
It is not my fault that my defense of my points results in
a spotlight on Solaris.
=============================================================
If you want to change the spotlight to some other OS, then
post an article advocating that OS's use for the original
poster's "ISP hardware/software choice".
Like the bogus claims that I refuted that set off this whole
silly debate that is 50% BSD (which I advocate), 25% Solaris
(which you advocate) and 25% AIX (which no one has yet made
bogus claims about).
Check the "newsgroups:" line for my source of derivation
for the percentages.
==================================================================
] > You also forgot "USL files suit against UCB and forces them to
] > not distribute some portions of UFS".
]
] So AT&T is out of the picture now. Got it? NO MORE DEATHSTAR? You
] even seem to be able to parrot this, but it hasn't yet impacted your
] decisions. This is not the mark of great intelligence.
You are responding to your dislike of my point, not in support
of the point which I was refuting.
Either refute my refutation with a logical counter-argument,
or don't bother responding.
] Did you follow this group -at- -all- before you started shooting your
] mouth off?
Clearly, you are unaware that this is a crossposted thread. No,
I do not normally follow the comp.unix.solaris group, which is
where I imagine you are reading this.
Terry Lambert
terry@cs.weber.edu
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.