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#! rnews 3297 bsd Path: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!usenet From: Dan Stromberg <strombrg@hydra.acs.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: ISP hardware/software choices (performance comparison) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:52:52 -0800 Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 66 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <30FD8BD4.42C0@hydra.acs.uci.edu> References: <4cmopu$d35@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <4d70n5$6lp@diablo.cet.co.jp> <4d9i2k$qo9@park.uvsc.edu> <30FC1B47.17A3@hydra.acs.uci.edu> <4djrl0$84s@olympus.nwnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bingy.acs.uci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Xref: euryale.cc.adfa.oz.au comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:1906 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:2052 comp.unix.solaris:56988 comp.unix.aix:68520 Anthony D'Atri wrote: > > >The entire industry is System V! > > This isn't true now, and was even less true back a few years when Sun > jumped the fence. Hm. Sun? SysV HP? SysV SGI? SysV AIX? Looks pretty SysV - anybody know it's true origins? SCO? SysV (along with the VAST majority of other intel-only *ix) Are you beginning to get the idea? > >> ] SYSV adopts ffs calls it ufs and implements it within its > >> ] vnode/vfs framework. > > After now many years? Could this possibly suggest that you're living in the past? > >But SunOS 4.1.x didn't keep up - or rather, it's parent OS, BSD, didn't. > >SysV did, so the obvious answer.... > > SysV kept up? Well, gee, I guess I must have imagined head(1) and decent > filenames being missing just a couple of years ago. You know, I'm really beginning to think you just -might- be living in the past. > >Are you starting to catch on? The industry was moving rapidly away > >from BSD. Sun was the last major player with a BSD-based OS. > > DEC wasn't a major player? At least one of those major players (HP) lost > business because of being SysV-fixated. The folks in Utah ported BSD > to their hardware way, way back. DEC bailed on BSD also. They're OSF/1 now. Supposedly the only things running OSF/1-derived "*ix" are DEC's, and a little known box from Intel. BTW, have you checked out how much of OSF/1 isn't pageable, lately? It makes the claims of bloat in Solaris look ABSOLUTELY ludicrous! (I benchmarked this recently - code available upon request) > >If you're so in love with Friggin BSD, why don't you go after the > >vendors that -started- the trend away from BSD? > > From where I sat, it was Sun that made the decisive switch. Sun's move was decisive, because they were, and still are, the biggest player in *ix. It made, and continues to make, more sense to go SystemV, because: 1) BSD wasn't moving forward in anywhere near the sense SysV was 2) The other vendors had made the switch, or started out in SysV, and staying mired in BSD was slowing them done, and fragmenting unix. Silly me, I used to think computers were too recent a development, for people to get stuck on "the way things are" as tho it were "the way things should remain".